/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12356901

kys weab

First for red day tomorrow

>>12356913
"no"

>>12356912
Okay :(

do the needful jerome

short vix and keep partying bros.

>Predictions for how long this 'rally' lasts until the next leg down? 2 weeks is my guess. Money will pour in in expectation of earnings (see, Netflix) and run for the exit after the first round.

Thoughts on this article?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-investors-its-time-to-hear-the-ugly-truth-2019-01-05

>>12356912
Fuck you, this is hilarious.

How many of you are gay?

>>12357062
Just Pendulum, and probably Comfy.

>>12356990
>Who ya gonna believe, me or our lying eyes?

.... Amaterasu

my hairdresser told me she is quitting to start short selling the S&P 500. what does this mean?

SPXL

>>12357078
short vix and own them.

>>12356990
all known information, been known forever. don't fight the fed or the government in their plans to juice the markets -- they've been doing it forever. go with the flow and make some money, but consider holding some gold as a hedge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyCJk7vCjpU

>>12357062
no but I've shagged as many men as woman

>>12357115
honestly this is my opinion too. As much as I want this shit to burn, it never will. The government/fed will juice the market to ensure boomers (voting block) can retire-- ethics be damned.

>>12357115
based and redpilled. short vix to make money to buy assets (cash, bullets, metals, crypto, and land).

>>12357136
wtf that's gay

>>12357127
>that hairline

Why do people say "invest" instead of buying in cash, say something like a car.

If say you get a loan at 3%, doesn't that mean you have to get a 3% return at minimum if you decide to invest instead of paying cash?

If you had invested $30k in stocks last year, you would easily be down $10k by now.

Or are there easier ways of making money?

>>12357196
what makes you say that

>>12357246
Who cares if his hair is shit as long as what hes saying is true?

>>12357283
why does he bother selling subscriptions to his service if he knows whats going to happen? should be easy enough to just take your money and go long/short accordingly instead of spending time making videos and marketing.

>>12357283
if he cant even get symmetrical hair lines, what makes you think he can make competent TA lines?

>>12357261
you shouldn't have money in the market that you'll need within the next 5 years, for a car or whatever else.

>>12357324
Yeah the dude needs to preform TA on his head lmao

>>12357351
kek

what the fook is the name of the Kaede-san backstory

>>12357127
stop shilling your youtube channel

>>12357450
its Kaede-Sama to you, slave
(its called Fragile (am cannot find complete copy of it anymore(theres another one too but forgot name)))

>>12357340
this is dumb. this is boomer bullshit. you can put in and take out money from markets at your will. you'll just pay higher tax percent. but if you can generate bigger returns than leaving the money in, then you should do it.

>>12357136
Thats pretty gay...

Since everyone is fearful of a crash right now, we should be greedy?

>>12357507
Imagine thinking we should be greedy right before the earnings recession kicks off and companies follow in Apples footsteps

>>12357507
correct
retail is bearish now, so there's likely going to be a while before any actual crash occurs

see >>12357078

>>12357525
imagine automatically assuming there's going to be a recession because one tech company missed earnings

Another day another dollar, am I right, /smg/?

January feeling breddy bullish tbhfam.

>>12354830
>>12354785
Here's to show it's not just about buying the dip. I set the time for time invested in bonds after a yield curve inversion for 9 years, when stock markets have usually recovered most of their value. It's also a part of the fact that interest rates are usually at their height at those points, making bonds a comparatively good investment.

>>12357542
>working on the sabbath

Looks like the Jews aren’t bringing the market down. Short VIX? Long SPX? It’s time to BTFD boys.

>>12357540
Apple missed
Nvidia missed
Netflix missed
Facebook missed


Imagine still thinking this isn’t a bear market about to experience an earnings recession when the largest tech companies of the past two seasons who didnt miss were only Msft and Amzn

Oh boy you thought the Netflix, Facebook, Nvidia, Apple dramatic sell offs on earnings was a one off thang?

>>12357633
Another day another prayer, am I right, /smg/??

>>12357655
We have already priced in A WHOLE YEAR of missed revenue from all major tech companies then. Yes, they may will sink but other tech companies will take their place very quickly. Just buy QQQ you dumb goy.

>>12357655
>FAANG and Nvidia missed
>this means the entire market is going to crash

there are also stocks that aren't in the technology sector, believe it or not

>>12357688
Look at the contents and weighing of SPY and QQQ and you'll realize how much they matter

>>12357739
Beat me to it. FAANG is the market.

>>12357655
People will buy after they miss again this time. Why? Because it won’t miss next time. Powell is printing more money as we speak.

>>12357739
>>12357785
Fair enough
I don't deny that the market is late cycle, and I do think that defensive sectors like healthcare, utilities, and consumer staples will outperform the general market in coming years
That's why I don't have exposure to any tech companies or broader market ETFs

It didn't occur to me that all the smug bull posts I've been making imply that I think tech and growth investments will continue to perform well
Both my current portfolio and my personal watchlist are actually very defensive

>>12357351
>>12357420
>>12357324
>>12357315
>>12357246
>>12357490
literally all non arguments from morons who can't see trends

>>12357629
Fixed the labels. This is the 9 year reinvestment and doesn't include the great depression as an instance of inversion.

This is why you pull your money out when the yield curve inversion happens, if anyone's still betting on a bull market, I suggest you get out now. Even if it's a false positive, you'll still make so much more money by keeping the value of your investment, even if you miss out on some gains, than eating the crash.

>>12357785
For real.
It's one thing to be a contrarian via permabull, but not recognizing their importance and dominance doesn't make sense

>>12357815
Read the news. Apple and the other tech giants are starting to show legitimate declines in their bottom lines. The fundamentals just aren't there anymore. Makes me wonder why there is still such a bullish bias.

>>12357840
I'm not about to start taking advice from a YouTube channel that has a $30/month insider course.

>>12357838
there literally isn't a single company in my portfolio and/or watchlist that isn't in the healthcare, utilities, or consumer staple sectors

>>12357883
Doesn't matter, the entire market is so interconnected via ETFs and mutual funds flows from the massive tech sector will tank everything

>>12357901
That may have a negative effect on defensive sectors, but I think it will be to a much lesser degree and largely short term

>>12357901
time to move to OTCmarkets...

Do you read the magazine Tdameritrade sends out every quarter?

>>12357901
There would still be inflows as people seek safe havens.

>>12357917
Also it's intellectual dishonest and uninformed to classify GALT as defensive
It's biotech, not healthcare

>>12357687
>falling for the its priced in meme
Yeah thats just false no one has priced in these misses and thats exactly why all the stocks I mentioned above Apple, Netflix, Facebook, Nvidia not only dropped off dramitically but never recovered

>>12357688
>FA(A)N(N)G and Nvidia missed
You know its redundant to say FANG and Nvidia because Nvidia is interchangable with Netflix as Apple with Amazon for the name.

>this means the entire market is going to crash
Yes it does. Where do you think we had the most gains in the S&P500 last year from? Tech. Everything else finacials, utilities, etc was in a rolling bear market since the beggining of 2018 sell off. Tech was the only sector spared and what happened when Tech got hit in October? Oh yea we finally hit -6% on the S&P 500 far below the feburary lows of 2018.

So Yes big tech missing and selling off abosultely drags down the entire market because if you havent been paying attention all of 2018 it was the biggest contributor to growth in the market indices

>>12357939
biotech is a part of the healthcare sector

>>12357939
>>12357968
https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=sec

>>12357986
>>12357968

>>12357986
>>12357968
>>12358003

>>12357962
these tech companies actually do create *that* much value in society. there's a reason that they're valued at where they are. it *is* priced in.

>>12357500
Wow shes a bad influence

>>12357968
I don't believe it

>>12357986
>>12358003
>>12358008
Whether it's part of the category or not, biotech is still pretty risky and I have trouble believing it'd be treated as a safe-haven in a crisis. What makes healthcare stocks defensive in the first place is how the demand for healthcare services continues regardless, because people still get sick and injured.

>>12357929
I do! It's a valuable resource, I read that and Warren Buffets letters

>>12358052
>What makes healthcare stocks defensive in the first place is how the demand for healthcare services continues regardless, because people still get sick and injured.

the role of biotech companies is to develop new treatments that fill an unmet medical need
until we figure out a perfect way to treat every disease on earth, there will always be a demand for them
it is true that it's a very volatile sector, but in the long term, there's just as much demand for them as there is for other aspects of the healthcare industry
without biotech, none of the drugs that the other areas of the industry use would exist

>>12357062
depends if traps are gay (they arent)

>>12358074
i think they could beef it up.. but i have come across some cool info for options in there.. wasn't sure if anyone else actually read it..

>>12358087
>>12358052
I rather invest in the drug companies that just sell the drug after it's been researched and developed.. i'll speculate on some biotech clinical trials tho.... that being said... LCI is looking real good.

>>12358087
That can all be true, but what makes a defensive stock actually a defensive stock isn't just whether i's non-cyclical. It should also be low risk or outperform the market in declines. I don't know if people would see biotechs that way, and if they did certainly less so than other less risky options.

pic related

>>12358116
>(they arent)

>>12357883
Can you post your portfolio senpai

>>12357939
>>12357917
you niggers better know rising interest rates causes Defensive, consumer staples to underperform Tech and SPX
until that slows the Golden bull for Tech will continue. Netflix will boost to 330 after earnings

>>12358087
A broad biotech ETF could arguably be defensive, but individual biotechs are not

Medical stocks ≠ biomedical stocks

The risks are not even remotely comparable, nor are the supply or demand

>>12358116
They absolutely are gay, no matter how deep your denial is

I need a good a
Stock pls

>>12358204
LCI

>>12358209
Are you god's joke. Or saviour?

>>12358209
Can you give some info about lannett company inc? Some basic info. What do they produce.

https://www.investopedia.com/millennials-load-up-on-battered-apple-facebook-amd-4582768
>robinhood reveals popular trades for 2018
This is what /smg/ has really been buying?

>>12358242
My calls are sitting pretty

>>12358159
forgot pic

Is Evil Bank Manager on Steam any good?

>>12358204
LCI's my biggest winner so far, holding KODK for the inevitable scalp when they announce anything new concerning their meme cryptocoin

>>12358257
>Sprint
>My calls are sitting pretty
Pfft. Not on that network.

>>12358159
>>12358264
biotech is among the higher-risk options in a defensive sector
if you make a good pick, biotech stocks are very capable of outperforming during a market decline, like GILD, CELG, and AMGN did in 2008

https://www.ft.com/content/1d6ec1a2-a77f-11e7-93c5-648314d2c72c

>>12358219
i've been asking myself that my whole life...

>>12358241
LCI has been shorted very heavily.. They aren't going to renew a contract.. that contract was already known to be ending in march 2019 but shorts have been using that old news for far too long.

LCI has already been replacing all that revenue from that contract and have making a lot of reductions in their expenses.. they've been signing more deals and launching new drugs... I think they've launched like 12 drugs in the past 8 months and are planning on launching another 15-17 before end of fiscal year 2019. That means there will be a lot of catalyst to come in the next 6-8 months.
institutions own 85% of the company but yet over 50% of the shares are short.. where will shorts get those shares to cover?? they should have covered on this drop but haven't.. Big institutions that would have sold.. already have the remainder of the institutions holding obviously aren't selling down at these levels and shorts eventually need those shares.. The company is extremely undervalued and shorts have overplayed their trade.. Guy Gentile has over $20mill into it, he sees it.. i'm sure plenty of other people see it.. heres Guys take on it.. if you don't know who Guy Gentile is you should look into him..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi313ZjiQLo

>>12358306
*should add that i'm dumping my positions monday, and reassessing a new portfolio, probably going to be a mix of calls/puts

>>12358242
Milennials might be the dumbest fucking retail investors in a while. Millenials are buying fucking Ford and Ge seriously?

This has to be a reporting mistake by Robinhood. I can see 18,19,20,21,22,23 year olds buying these poor man stocks along with buying into the marijuana bubble but they wouldn’t be millenials. Millenials wouldnt be the 19 poor fag buying this shit nor would a millenial be the 21 year old trading Tilray at the campus library. Millenials are 30 and up lower bounds around 27-28. These people probably have years of jobs or just got decent ones they wouldnt be gambling on cheap shit and marijuana stocks I dont believe it for one fucking second

I’m worried about my puts do I sell at open Monday and eat the loss or hold and see what happens, risking they expire worthless?

>>12358410
>more fags just buying options outright
You deserve to lose money.

>>12358410
what's the expiry date? What's the position?

>>12358410
probably in for some pain for the next 2 weeks, then massive gains.

>>12358407
>Millenials are buying fucking Ford and Ge seriously?
I know this boomer that is in stocks.. when i first met him He owned a lot of F i told him to sell it and buy some other stocks i gave him some stock picks that made him about 10k in about 3 months so ever since he always talks to me about stocks... the other day he told me he is buying GE.. I asked why and he said that GE is planning on investing into IoT business.. he went on to say how it's going to be the new thing.. he even showed me how his bed is now hooked up to the internet and how GE is going to be playing a huge part in that esepecially with 5G coming.. he gave me a long detailed explanation of why he thinks GE is going to be a good investment for the next year or two.... When i first i met him i don't think i would've listened but he has gotten really good at picking stocks and I think he might be right about GE... I don't think its something that you drop everything to get into.. with a 73billion market cap i think the trend reversal will be pretty clear on GE and i think when it happens i think it will be a good time to hop on.... same thing with F

>>12358182
He's entirely in GALT
lmao

>>12358410
Did wallstreetbets convince you to buy puts? You do know people make a lot of money convince people to buy options they sell their. Dont be fooled for someone elses premimum

>>12358475
you're forgetting about VTGN

>>12358472
nice blogpost

>>12357136
>>12357196

0 is 0 boys.

>>12358320
what do you value LCI at?

>>12358475
>>12357527
>>12358182
Does anyone know about these conv. prefs on GALT?? I don't see much detail in their q.. maybe someone can shed some light on it.. i'm not invested in it right now and might invest in it if someone can tell me some details about these shares..

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1133416/000119312518324862/d619105d10q.htm

>>12358487
yeah.. at the end i was like.. why the fuck did i write this out.. but i felt.. fuck it.. i already wrote it out and it explains someones thought process behind investing in GE.. and the person isn't a millienial...

What is your opinion on the absolute state of the auto industry? Will it be revitalized due to the expansion of electric cars?
I'm talking about GM, HMC, TM and NSANY specifically for their push into electric vehicles
Are they actually undervalued as their FA stats would indicate, or is this the new normal?

>>12358472
Watched my boomer grandparent give 3 million to his finacial advisor two years ago and he was only up 100,000 peak this year. The advisor bought fucking random biotech stocks this whole year and held onto Ford, GE, GM. Its disgusting

He spent 60,000k buying DROP FUCKING BOX AT 32 dollars. I told my grandpa to call him up and ask for an explantion but hes so complacent he doesnt care. I swear people make things harder for themselves when you give them a lot of money. A lot of money doesnt mean overinvest in a hundred different fucking things out of thin air and have no idea what or why

>>12358539
>what do you value LCI at?
above $20.. the next couple of earnings will help decide the valuation.. a little difficult with all the restructuring they've done lately and the JSP contract... But its forsure worth way more than 250mill which is where it's sitting right now....

>>12358569
let your boomer parents do the boomer things. just buy index calls and accelerate their demise.

>>12358569
>Watched my boomer grandparent give 3 million to his finacial advisor
I find it comical these financial advisors went to school for 4+ years and still don't know shit!! I have a friend that his sister is a CFP.. went to school for all this shit and then she set up some of my friends "investments" basically all went to shit!! He was all bragging about how his sister knows her shit i just laughed and told him... the shit that happens in the market.. they don't teach in school.. he shrugged it off until recently when he started to get into trading and now ask me about stocks.. i basically tell him to fuck off.. and that maybe he should ask his sister.

Id rather give my money to somone that didn't go to school for finance but yet clawed their way to the top by experience... this world is so fucking backwards at times..

>>12358643
based and redpilled. use robinhood.

>>12357840
can see trends perfectly, his hair in Receding Triangle

>>12358569
>>12358643
Funny you guys mentioned this. Just got done reading this.

i bought CGA a while ago, people involved in this stock claim that it's going to go up sometime soon. But how is the stock going to end up since it only went down since years. it's all been so surreal lately, ofcourse outsiders that look at the chart they dont even care about it cause they think it's a mega fail but holders say these books are cooked and that this company has indeed value. I dont know what to believe at this point.

xueqiu . com/S/CGA

>>12358547
I can't tell you about them, I admittedly don't know much about the financial aspect of biotech stocks

>>12358716
might want to use goggle translate

>>12358733
This.

>>12358472
Internet of things is the stupidest thing to come out of silicon valley imo. I'm not touching anything anywhere near it until some company starts taking the security risks seriously, and I can tell you right now that company I really don't see GE being that company.

>>12358705
it's kind of scary to think a bunch of overly educated fools are in such positions..

>>12358732
The finance aspect of companies is very important.. especially high risk biotech.. they usually can't get financed through traditional financing due to the risk involved and turn to toxic financing... those shares may not be toxic but i'd have to see more details about them to decide.. would like to see why they were issued, who owns them.. etc..

>>12357127
Pretty stupid guy desu

>>12358763
just giving you a thought process.. sometimes.. a stock goes up and down entirely based on chaos theory and greater fool.......

Glad to see this thread isn't filled with permabulls/bears, some pretty sobering comments so far

>>12358705
I got one better

>>12358806
how so?

>>12358814
the only thing they could do to fuck everyone else over more is have their dead bodies thrown into the water supply to make sure nobody has clean water to drink

>>12358815
I was hoping for something Informative but i still smelled somethign fishy when hes drawing memelines on a ETF
If we were to do that TQQQ would be in his "yellow box of the bottom" right now.

None the less thanks for actually posting something TA related. i always enjoy it

>>12356901
>not a green sharingan

>>12358569
>>12358472
I started managing my own portfolio after I saw my managed portfolio with schwab going to shit. Before that my grandmother had invested money for me that earned good dividends but declined so much in price I won't be paying taxes on capital gains for quite some time.

>>12358809
I'd prefer not to have to rely on that kind of volatility. My strategy is really quite simple. Don't take the hit of a recession; play it safe when we're late cycle. I'll be in safe shit for another couple years to come. These kind of market movements are far more predictable.

>>12358857
>>12358815
Doing TA on an ETF that is effected by so many hidden factors is retarded imo... What about interest rates? inflation rates? unemployment? corporate and personal debt? GDP? did he talk about any of that? what about politics? you can only play that TA game for so long imo..

How do people still fall for the TA meme?

>>12358958
Because it works

>>12358307
>Sprint
>My calls are sitting pretty

>Pfft. Not on that network.

Criminally underrated.

>>12358958
because it works somewhat reliably in the absence of confounding fundamental factors (ie: in the short term, and not on things like market indices)

>>12358958
Because it fucking works

>>12358763
Stupid or not I've come across several people who've bought into the home hub meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdDGuI1sm4
You can get overpriced bulbs, sockets and other paraphernalia from any large supermarket around here.
I don't know anyone with Apple's product yet, could be potential for growth there. But they failed to capture the streaming box/stick market so I'm not holding my breath at their ability to expand into other products.

>>12359000
The reason the security issue creates risk is that it'll probably lead to scandals and regulatory uncertainty.

Tomorrow will be a red day... don't raise your hopes

>>12358996
>>12358993
>>12358978
You need alot of money for TA to work

If trading was as easy as following lines on a chart everyone would be rich as fuck!!

TA is for lazy fucks that just want to be rich but don't want to do any work.

>>12359122
people will freak out and act like the world is ending when market drops 1%, and then the bulls will btfo them.

Former support is resistance now

>>12359159
permabulls btfo soon

>>12358410
What are their expirations? If anytime this month I'd dump. Feb and march maybe roll out. A lot of call flow at close/after close friday.

should i go deeper into CGA? double up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVjZOZCvFpQ

can all anime fags
>>12359159
and all TA fags

please immediately kys

>>12357844
cant wait to cash out at age 125

http://www.strawpoll.me/17181252

Made this graph a bit more readable with a log scale. For your viewing pleasure.

>>12359289
That's the rate of return, anon, and when adjusted for inflation. The original sum I put in was 100 bucks. That little green line is what investing in stock market index funds and reinvesting the dividends looks like with the same money over time.

>>12359133
>as if Trading was as easy as reading some finance metrics, FA is just for lazy fucks who don't want to learn TA

>>12359300
Need a time frame on that lad, in the short term we're going up, but I don't think the bogs wild ride is done yet for this quarter.

>>12359310
how do i invest into inversion reinvestment

>>12359314
>implying learning TA is hard

>>12359317
just vote whatever's on your mind. it's about the perception of now isn't it?

>>12359326
It's just selling your current stock assets and putting them into bonds after every yield curve inversion, as well as investing both the interest while you hold bonds, and dividends while you hold stocks.

>>12359350
ok, how do i buy this asset?

>>12359350
once you move your money to bonds, do you ever take it out and put it back into stocks, or do you only do that with new capital and hold the bonds forever?

>>12359384
Ten year treasury bonds? You go to treasury direct.

>>12359398
I modeled it so you sell the bonds after a set amount of time and put them back into stocks. That graph has the time set for 3 years and I assume you're able to sell them for about face value of the principal.

>>12359398
>>12359413
I did check with longer time spans and the results were similar, it certainly wouldn't be a bad strategy to just start reinvesting the interest into stocks after a certain amount of time and wait to get the principal back at maturity, it's just harder to model.

>>12359342
I suppose

>>12359341
real TA am hard, and requires lot of daily observances and long time pan through
me no gonna get return on much of this TA until SPY passes through 260-290 again

and this only orderflow chart

>>12359473
that graph just gave me autism.

>>12357136
You're a wizard?

>>12359473
>implying SPY will ever reach 270 again

>>12359482
you should see trading journal kek

>>12359508
no but I'm getting up there

Credit spread hitting resistance, same with corporate junk bonds monthly
Honestly SPY is probably going 260 or higher This month alone

>>12359544

>>12359578
I almost unironically bought a fedora back in the day, one of those few days where fate saved me from my own autism

Don't go to college kids, it's a fucking scam.

>>12359643
It is a huge regret of mine. Wasted years of compounding. Learned almost nothing. Sizeable debt. I did it because I was told I should and nothing else.

>>12358041
Shes just trying for spread her love of Yogurt to young innocent women

>>12359678
>tfw only in the hole for 9k and graduating next summer
could be worse desu senpai, canadian tuition isn't too bad (yet)

>>12359643
Depends which college, and the quality of the professors. Some places can give boost your credibility with their brand, others can actually teach you things if they make you actually read some books and have intelligent professors.
That said, the debt is a big issue. I was lucky enough to get out scot free, but if it will put you far in the red, no it's probably not worth it.

>>12359310
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-bonds/payment-seen-unlikely-on-1-1-billion-in-maturing-venezuela-bonds-idUSKBN1L01UI
what do you think about this?

>>12359707
I didn't even have debt and it's still a fucking scam. I know it's "my fault" for not having any internships or networking or work experience beyond one college job, but shit, if those are the things that matter, then why would I bother going to college? Taco Bell won't hire me because I'm overqualified, fucking service helpdesk won't hire me because I'm "not qualified enough" (how qualified do I have to be to take calls and elevate them to higher levels?) and I'm just stuck with no jobs, no future, and the fact that I could have at least had 100K to play around with for a few years if I didn't fall for the college meme.

>>12359341
heres some more real TA, its more than just drawing triangles

I'm afraid to ask /biz/ how this chart called is.
Do you guys have name for it?

>>12359643
>>12359678
>>12359707
>>12359716
>>12359730

>tfw didn't go to college and managed to get a high-paying software engineering job but still ended up in the red due to irresponsible spending habits

45k in debt. I have a six-figure job so it should be payable but still a completely unnecessary thing to get myself into. Have since vowed to never go into debt for anything, including a mortgage.

t. 21 year old who realised the shittiness of a credit card

>>12359742
>>12359473
i really don't care kid.

>>12359749
I should be allowed a six-figure job just for graduating but it's all bullshit. Everything's bullshit and life is a just a cycle of things getting worse and worse and worse until the government or some nigger breaks into your home and shoots you in the head at 3AM to take what little you still have. I suppose I deserve it for being born a genetic failure.

>>12359796
here another good example of TA
you not learn this stuff in your CFA

>>12359743
Its MMM
A Hound dog of the dow. 1000 soon

>>12359682
see Everyone knows its the best in the world

>>12359725
Expected, they've had budget shortfalls for a long time now and the economic crisis triggered by the fall in oil prices has compounded all their problems. US T-Bonds are a long way away from missing payments like this, if that's your insinuation.

>>12359749
Its ok to take on debt so long as you're careful at paying enough to prevent the cost of borrowing from gong up due to a bad credit score. What kind of spending habits did you get into?

What exactly is a credit freeze? I don't have very much cash on hand at the moment.

>>12359811
usd/jpy is gonna bounce back so hard
Its like the fakeout breakdown last year

Japanese financial minister says wont fall below 105

>>12359730
what was your degree bizbro

>>12359876
Computers Science.

>>12359881
how the fuck? CS is insanely good at the moment, sorry to hear that

Are long saddles on TSLA guaranteed money? I'm a brainlet please respond

>>12359824
>a long way away
it needs a loss of confidence and
i hope you will not ignore the possibility because of bias

t. clem

>>12359881
typical Java regurgitating fuck. I bet you played a lot of video games and that's where your CS major whims came from.

>>12359932
at least he didn't do "game design" or some other meme shit

>>12359819
do you think it's possible for mmm to touch 170?

>>12359941
sure.
Its really dependent on if the DOW takes another leg down. Im thinking it wont so... any price under 200 is good

>>12359862
NO!
Yen is the new Gold!
Japan is 2000 year old society, and they will still be here in 2000 years unlike AMERICA

besides everyone who was long usd/jpy has been forever liquidated

Bearfags going to BTFO again tomorrow trying to recoup loses from last week. They thought shorting the bottom was a good idea. Idiots gonna be eating shoelaces soon.

>>12360107
Heh, Nothin' personnel weeb
*Teleports behind the Japanese birth rates*

>>12360107
BAKA
the monetary policies have shifted
Everyone uses the Swiss Franc now for carry trades

>>12359907
A loss of confidence is plausible, but right now the things that would cause that aren't hard economic limits right now, but political slipups, whether Trump trying to renegotiate the debt or congress failing to raise the debt ceiling. Those are possible risks, but they tend to actually decrease in recessions when interests rates get lowered for stimulus.

Trump talking like he might end the trade war tomorrow. I bet pre-market has a lot of pumps on Chinese stocks that have taken a beating.

>>12360136
this, japan needs more immigration

>>12359932
I don't even do Java, I just do data analysis.

>>12359135
>Dow currently sitting at 23k
>Day after day of either sideways or big red dildos
>One rally on Friday up 700
>Hahahaha bears btfo golden bull now

anyone thats bored.. guardians of the galaxy 2 about to start

>>>/tv/108134517

>>12360458
>disney
hahano

>>12360480

I'm up $30k

>>12360532
fucking nice dude

>>12359310
Can I get sauce on these graphs
It's an interesting concept, but if it's a seeking alpha writer or .blogspot...

>>12360547
I made them myself comfy, been cranking out code in R the last couple days. I can share my spaghetti and data here if you like.

>>12360575
Quality OC then, nice work!
So the basic concept of it is buy bonds once the yield curve inverts? When do you switch back to equities?

Futures soon

>>12360596
I have the time invested in bonds set as a variable so I can test different amounts. That graph has it set to 3 years which seems optimal from what I've tried so far. My code starts to misbehave if the years overlap tho which I still need to fix.

>>12359742

This is messy. Nothing technically wrong with it but it offends my eyes anyway. Like peaking in to someone's office and seeing the walls plastered in sticky notes.

Futures are going to bee green based on the trade war talk Monday

Read somewhere where this hotshot stock financial guy got beat by 4 stocks he picked as a kid. If he'd stuck with those 4 stocks he'd made more money. Those 4 stocks? Here's 3
Coke
Disney
Mcdonalds

Forgot what the 4th was. Point is that its all a crap shoot. This dude grew up, went to school for this shit yet ended up getting beat by his random stock picks he did as a kid. Sometimes it's just a mater of picking something and sticking with it

>>12360154
this signal we about to go into recession, same thing happened in 2007

>>12360668
Those seem like 3 solid choices for steady growth.

>>12360668
Business school tends to put people in a frame of mind to obsess over financials and quantifiable metrics--a McNamara fallacy to be sure--instead of taking a product centered approach. A good product can easily carry your bottom line almost regardless of management decisions.

>>12357127
Doesn't he know that we've already got to the bottom?

>>12360668
The biggest brands we're familiar with tend to have sticking power from their market share and what must be an already successful business model. This is actually not a bad way to pick out bluechip stocks.

>>12360808
what makes you think we reached the bottom?

>>12360668
What is survivorship bias

>>12360668

Hindsight is a tricky thing, especially when you're talking very long term. You have to weigh the risk level of the investments when they were initially made, the roadblocks encountered by these businesses on their way up, etc, against the risk levels assumed on the series of trades the guy made instead of hodling these three. Disney in particular could have easily been taken out by a different production company back in the 90's, for example. There was no way to know back then what the outcome would be.

>>12360747
Im not even joking, its going to bounce like really really hard lol
Youre going to regret this. Its hit my 100% strategy

not looking good going into monday...
pls help lads, tell me it's going to be ok :/

Bears are done. New ATH by July.

>>12360825
Also this, history is truly contingent, it's only when everything's already happened does it seem predetermined.

>>12360668
I will continue to buy AAPL until i die even though I started in 86’

10tril MCAP in <10 years

Theres a reason they keep buying up their own shares

Because they know when google gets rekt for illegal outsourcing and selling off user data, election meddling and thought manipulation they assume the most powerful monopoly in existence, the technological one

google search engine becomes apple search

Google play store is killed

With google dead, everyone will sell their androids for iphones because play store is killed.

Screencap this newfags

>>12360825

I can also go with a much shorter timeframe, say the last three years, select stocks that I held at one time or another for swing trades*, assume more or less perfect entry and exit, and suddenly oh hey I could have been a millionaire snippity snab like that with only a 10k principal to start.

* It gets even easier to do this if I were to cherry pick the top gainers on the exchanges for those three years rather than limiting selection to ones I actually held at some point in time.

Futures are neon green.

>>12360869
Ive never seen someone so wrong. Enjoy losing money

>>12360820
because
>>12360903

>>12360869
Lol wtf niBBa they are doing it to artificially pump their share price up whilst insiders dump the stock for more money. Kek retard

DIP BUYERS BEWARE

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/dip-buyers-beware-p-500-190007555.html

>>12360926
aren't these the same assholes that were telling people to load up back in august and september?

>>12360869
FUCKING DELETE THIS

>>12360926
>bottoming process
hot

>>12360847
a-anon I...

>>12360926

Note the similar drops they didn't highlight which resulted in resumption in bullish trend. That's a nothing article. And I don't say that to be a pema-bull or anything. Biz media is very reactionary but also oddly slow to come around to acknowledging new trends.

>>12360932

Correct.

>>12360847

>>12360668

Diversity is a bit of a meme. The more bets you take, the higher the chances of you losing.

You need to bet big on certain things doing certain price actions. Have entry levels you're confident in and exit levels that you're happy with.

Getting the top and the bottom of the market is almost pure luck. If you can exit or acquire within a few days or 10% of either, you're a good trader.

>>12360926
>Lu Wang

I'm not listening to some bullshit AI troll article

>>12361082
>The more bets you take, the higher the chances of you losing.
lmao

>>12361082
>You need to bet big on certain things
yes, like GPRO

>>12361082
>The more bets you take, the higher the chances of you losing.

Right but the impact of a total loss is smaller relative to your total portfolio. There's a balance there of course. Investing in a hundred different companies individually is pointless for a variety of a reasons (not even counting the fact that you can do that cheaper with an ETF), and yoloing all in on one single thing is also almost always a poor trade. Might be a good gamble but not a good strategic trade.

>>12360747
>tfw you told me I would be better off selling my stonks on December 24th, the exact bottom

you're going to get a lot of relish put into your mouth in these coming days

>>12360903
no they not
futures are flat, a EF bid up failed and NQ slipping

>>12360912
kek but a non argument. Why do you really think that we have reached the bottom?

>>12360847
>he fell for the penny stocks meme

Feeling pretty good I got into UWT (3x long oil) based on futures.

>>12361286

Yep, oil numbers looking good right now.

>>12360614
>>12360596
>>12360547
Reading over my results I realized I made some errors in the way I calculated the bond period (forgot to divide by twelve to get interest value by month at one point). Here's the revised graph.

The average real rate of return for the reinvestment strategy with the yield curve inversion was 67.5%, 12.3% for stocks with dividend reinvestment, and 2.6% for bonds with interest reinvestment.

Dude weed breakout watch for Monday. Most of the stuff I've been eyeballing in the US dude weed broke bullish last week except for this one here. Mr. Stubborn Pants TerrAscend. Insisting on jamming a doji right in to the absolute corner of muh meme triangle before making a decision.

>>12361262
fundamentals are good, do you think the fed would be raising interest rates if the economy wasn't strong, like honestly we're fine and once the we get a better trade deal with china we'll be in an even better place than we already are.

>>12361407
the fed just said that the economy is slowing down but i guess that doesn't mean its weak.

>>12361407
>fundamentals are good
>if the economy wasn't strong

what exactly is this "strength" everyone always talks about?

>>12361286
i'm excited for you. hold onto your fucking dick.

i would be playing day-trader but i have no liquidity until

-my taxes are paid (huge question mark)
-my 401k is filled up for the year (19K)
-my roth IRA is filled up for the year (6K)

vanguard will advance me $75K on margin but ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

still, what is a bigger dream for a middle class wagie than to make a big bet on a 3x and take 15% in one day? all good as long you don't get margin called right?

>>12361437
the strength is the employment rate. my brother with downs is making $17.50 sorting recycling cans. what's your excuse?

>>12361437
industrial production and retail sales are still hitting new highs nearly every month

>>12361327
where do I buy this Inversion reinvestment ETF

>>12358862
Good point, here you go

>>12361249
oh god super breakout

>>12361248
maybee, but was also telling you to sell @ 290, 280, 270

>>12361483
DISGUSTING
GET THIS FANFICTION TIER IMAGE OUT OF THREAD

REEEEEEEEEE DELETE DELETE DELETE

>>12361497
If you like it pls consider a small donation to my patreon, my wife's son hasn't eaten in days.

Based Golden bulls!

>>12361448
how do i get this job

>>12361448
anecdotal
>>12361473
all fed by toxic debt consumers are taking on

>>12361497
sasuke has discovered the secret goreenurinnesharingan

didn't know comfy was a cirnoposter

J-just some late night bull games. S-sell the rip.

>>12361526
god I wish I was a catboi and fingers in mouth are so hot

>>12361514
>all fed by toxic debt consumers are taking on
Who told Pocahontas about /biz/?

GDP keeps rising but stock market is going haywire. When GDP growth contracts the market will probably already be fucked but that's when you'll see some real shit.

>>12361514
>all fed by toxic debt consumers are taking on
Households debt to GDP is at the lowest point in nearly two decades and falling.

>>12358320
>>12358320
How/where do we see which companies have high levels of shorts?

>>12361580
you can go on finviz and find out

>>12361327
That blue bond line looks like it's plateauing. What's the chart look like if you stay in cash for the 3 years instead? I looked at some US treasury ETFs and I don't like the idea of fees and FX exposure.

>>12361580
I usually use finviz to screen em

>>12361531
y-yeah these bulls just goofing around h-haha having good tug

>>12361526
@_@ nuuu
green sharingans take me back to 12 year old naruto fanfiction days

http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_Uchiha

wow futures are really high

>>12361658
>>12361531

>>12361658
sasuke has betrayed you

Bears that held puts from the AAPL day on suicide watch.

imagine being a bear

Whats going to be the best performing stock of 2019 and why is it LCI?

>>12361702

Anyone know the story behind this webm?

>>12361630
thanks for the recommendation /biz/friend

>>12361753
Jewish financier trying to get new rappers by going to a hood party gets bullied.

>>12361483
>My Sharingay lets me see the candles before they even swing up

>>12361753
No idea, it's just what I imagine someone from R9K at a party looks like.

>>12359730
>tfw got out of college with 35k in the hole
>tfw working full time and doing every rebate app/plug-in/survey/whatever bullshit to make pennies on the side
>tfw 3 years in and only 3k more to go

Can't wait. I'll probably keep doing this to help pay for car/dog/new apartment in a smaller cheaper city, then only a bit here and there on the side to fund a foray into stocks and maybe gambling without sacrificing any of my primary income.

My advice? Shit adds up. 9k ain't nothing. Go full poorfag, sign on with some temp agenices, apply to everything. Good luck

Think the market will crash back down on Monday taking all gains earned on Friday?

Hope so, cause then it's "buy the dip" time.
AMRN to the moon; god please hit the price target of least 30 per. Or let some nice big fat buyout offer get floated

>he SHORTED the BOTTOM

OH NONONONONO

Futures bigly green. SPY 300 by EOY.

>>12361802
What kind of surveys?

>>12361818
Remember that one Anon that got his mom to sell hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets at the bottom?
I do

>>12361818
>Futures

Holy fuck. Another big Green Day? It’ll for sure be overbought, but will it fall further, or is it time to get in?

>>12361824
Amazon Turk is best, but you gotta apply. Its tedious as all shit, and until you get a good head for it/rank up you can't make much, but its a good way to kill time. Also I'm prolly gonna get fucked for posting plebbit shit, but try these. https://www.reddit.com/r/beermoney/comments/a5wnrh/17_apps_that_will_save_you_money_passively_best/

Also Ebates is really good. Pennies at a time adds up. I also highly recommend installing the Swagbucks plug-in, but ignore the surveys themselves. They have a lot of rebates and shit, but more importantly they a function were you """"""""watch""""""" and """""rate""""" videos. Every 3 or so (about 40 seconds each) you get a penny. I have it up on my second monitor now, and have made maybe 50 cents just browsing the internet for a few hours. Once again, you don't get rich doing any of this shit, but it adds up

>>12361818
All right, who bought SQQQ at the bottom?

>>12357502
That's not why fucktard. It's because if you plan to use the money within five years and the market goes down, you don't have access to it and you can't just "put in and take out money from markets at your will".
This is why /biz/ will stay poor.

>>12361864
maybe :D

>>12361475
Just put your money in an index fund, reinvest the dividend, then sell and buy t bonds for several years whenever a yield curve inversion happens.

2600 is the top for SPX screenshot this post

>>12361910

>>12361732
Imagine saving underaged tranny porn to your device

>>12361910
>>12361910
>>12361910
NEW THREAD CAN BE FOUND HERE

>>12361918
imagine thinking this individual is underage

>>12361875
Thank you.

>>12361878
thank you for yelling at that stupid anon. you'll make it.

t. made it

>>12361627
I'll try that in a bit, but I believe the bond line is platueing due to the logarithmic scale.

>>12361514
>toxic debt

feminists with credit cards?

>>12362929
yes, effectively. people are living hand to mouth made possible by debt.

I'm sure this is a stupid question but...

If I only have 500$ and I wanna buy a stock valued at 1000$, I can buy it correct?, or at least half of a share?. Also, if the value of the stock went up 5% would I still get the 5% increase to the 500$ investment? or only 2.5%/half?

>>12358407
Low IQ boomer spotted
Nobody is buying ford you buffoon, get your facts straight idiot