/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12321264
Is this the new thread or what where is everybody ?

lol so many thread ahahaha

lets go grinders keep workin hard keep buying

SPY, QQQ, SSO, QLD

RISE UP BUYERS JUST KEEP HOLDING

>>12321319
We are the golden bulls! we always buy!
We never stop buying! thats it!

>>12321289
yes it is, people are probably sleeping because aftermarket thread was busy as fuck today (300 replys before i finished my evening nap!)

>>12321292
apple crash cause quite a few shitposters is seems, shame i missed out

>>12321296
you really should just use your own calculator (or MS Excel ) you lazy shit

>>12321319
>Buy my bags before i am forced to sell them at a loss!
you do know that the dip has not even begun right?

the real downturn is coming this year, youre going to want some hedges

>>12321343
im really excited to buy extremely low priced cheapies yes

as big of a dip as possible please, if i am able to buy SPY at $150 I might end up retiring so quickly i dont even know what to do with myself for the rest of my 30s and beyond

>>12321343
With volatility and uncertainty, most surviving funds would time an exit.
And to those who believe that the 2007 Recession would not happen again,
read up on CLOs (Collateralized Loan Obligations) and why a rise in interest rate would lead to a Cascade event that would reverberate throughout the US economy

>>12321375
Dude we could actually buy houses if SPY went to 150. Think about how crazy that would be.

>>12321419
ive been thinking of buying a house anyways soon, like this calendar year, but i have no idea when the 'timing' is right

if rates keep going up thats bad for my mortgage, but presumably prices will drop as a recession hits? im too young to know how house prices/equity prices usually work in tandem alongside interest rates....

GUYS SHOULD I BUY AAPL NOW OR WAIT?!

>>12321432
>Asking permission from strangers
What are you? Ten?
Surely you are old enough to make your bed and sleep in it

BTC is not private or fungible.

What use does a large corporate entity or institution have with a coin that can be analysed through chain analysis so that their competitors, foreign governments, or other bad actors can analyse all of their transactions data?

Information leaked includes relationships, supply chains, profit and loss information, accumulated wealth, and more.

For people serious about Business Monero is the answer. Data mining will be a serious issue for commercial deployments.

https://youtu.be/FeNYjYA2lVg

>>12321432
Wait. Im down like 2k in my retirement account. Idk I think im going to hold that because its all s&p 500 with drip. Maybe I will start setting aside money this year to buy in with like 4k more.

>>12321454
>permission
I'm looking for sound financial advice.

>mfw I bought 800 shares of SQQQ half an hour before market close while sitting in class

how the fuck do people make money off brokers with commissions? i know robinhood is free but they wanted a pic of my license and thats too 1984ish for my tastes desu. maybe im just paranoid. anyway FUCK ETRADE and any other broker with commissions. Tired of paying $7 just to fuckin buy or sell. This is hell for a day trader

>>12321529
>how to spot a poorfag
When you're trading multiple thousands at once, $5 is literally nothing.

>>12321540
>it literally means you start off every trade in the red

and yeah im fuckin poor but so is 80% of this board and everybody has to start somewhere. makes it a lot fuckin harder with these stupidass fees

>>12321529
>i know robinhood is free but they wanted a pic of my license and thats too 1984ish for my tastes desu
what could they possibly do with whats on your license? robinhood isnt a chink company that just popped up overnight

>>12321375
>>12321419
>>as big of a dip as possible please, if i am able to buy SPY at $150 I might end up retiring so quickly i dont even know what to do with myself for the rest of my 30s and beyond
just imagine how fast youd be rich if SPX dropped down to $150 !

>>12321413
many policies from 2009 and 2008 where ten year stopgaps, simply congress kicking the can down the road
but new congresses since then have done nothing to fix the underlying problems

>>12321432
you must wait and have patience

>full blood moon eclipse on January 21
>twards the end of earnings season
I wouldnt

>>12321493
very nice! todays pump felt too weak considering the pumps we have been having this past month/three months

but then again
>having a class where you are actually able to check your phone durring lecture
that does not bode well for your future...

>>12321529
they either have 5-6 digit figures or they dont

>but they wanted a pic of my license and thats too 1984ish for my tastes
wait until you see all the requirements that others impose to join

license is standard boilerplate stuff for financial services
then again when i joined robinhood they just wanted my social security number and a bank account routing number
maybe my drivers licence too? idk it was so long ago..

>>12321540
>a person's worth is equal to his portfolio's size
not true, just look at RKG

>spotted the person who is compensating
>:)

>>12321563
not so much as i think theyll sell off my data or whatever (since literally everybody does) but you hear all these stories of data breeches and i dont want some venezuelan stealing my identity

>>12321559
>in the red
Literally 0.1% in either direction is more than $5.
>start somewhere
You get a job and make real money or get lucky. You don't start out by day trading with $500 like a retard. Try learning some math first and you'll see why day trading is stupid, especially with low capital.

>>12321569
Poorfag isn't just portfolio size, its a state of being.

>>12321264
Is there a reason you don't link to Bloomberg TV? It's my overnight default.

https://www.bloomberg.com/live

SPXS put and AMD call

how fuck am I

Bought about 300 dollars worth of SPY puts today at like 10am, am very much in the red unironically. I must be the only bear in the red, fuck me

so how has asian markets been tonight, bad?

>>12321588
>>Poorfag isn't just portfolio size, it can also be a state of being.
fify

>>12321592
because i simply copy-paste the old OP of course

>>12321600
we shall soon find out

>>12321569
>1st day of class where they are covering the same rules
>phone bad
Ya ok retard lol who responds like this to everyone in one post? Real boomer-tier shit. Shall we exchange emails too?

>>12321612
NP. I've just always had a Bloomberg tab open because if nothing else, they are live and free and have a fat pipe.

And isn't it wonderful what's happening to Cook's Apple? Sorry, Tim, the market wants stocks that taste good, not stocks with good taste. Next time, just tweet it, sweetie.

>>12321592
> didn’t know they had a free stream
Thank you based anon.

Running some stock market data through R right now. Any requests for things to analyze? First thing is checking what happens if you invest in 2 year treasuries for the three years after every yield curve inversion while otherwise tracking the market.

>>12321709
$GSL
$GOLD
$TWST

>all those announcements in the next 24 hours
we are in for a bumpy ride this week arnt we?
only a black swan could save us from the volatility at this rate

>>12321625
damn early first week, mine dont start for two more weeks

>Ya ok retard lol who responds like this to everyone in one post? Real boomer-tier shit. Shall we exchange emails too?

sure, mine is
jsonstreicherco@yahoo.com
;)

>>12321657
>>And isn't it wonderful what's happening to Cook's Apple?
yes, the cult of (apple's marketing department) is finally being overcome by their anti-consumer practices

>>12321709
run a Laplace Transform on the SPY for the past decade or two, and then show me the frequency domain of its price

>>12321709
Pls send me the data to run through R, would really appreciate it anon

>>12321723
I'd appreciate it if you'd link to downloadable price data, I'm as sure as hell not scrubing websites for that shit.

>>12321727
I'll do my best.

>>12321734
put together by a kindly professor at yale, price, dividend and CPI data all lined up with a bunch of extra inputs too: http://www.econ.yale.edu/~shiller/data.htm

>>12321666
Dear Spawn of Satan:

So you will not curse me, I need to warn you that, for a few hours during the weekends, Bloomberg does run infomercials. It can be unnerving when you wake up after a bender and tune in to see some vacuum cleaner salesman. BUT, when any market anywhere is open, Bloomberg is there.

>>12321727
Red Alert! Shields Up!

The Reality Distortion Field is under attack.

fuckin' sweet

>>12321727
>>12321757
wow forgot to post the original image i was going to post with

>>all those announcements in the next 24 hours
>we are in for a bumpy ride this week arnt we?
>only a black swan could save us from the volatility at this rate

>>12321264
Alright guys here is the plan. Company I'm getting hired at gives it's employees a discount when buying company stock. We get a 15% discount on the stocks lowest worth from the past 6 months. Should i just buy hold sell and repeat?

>>12321753
https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/gsl/historical
https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/gold/historical
https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/twst/historical

>>12321774
Thank you, I'll see what I can do.

>>12321764
Wait six months.

>>12321764
They cap you at a percentage of your pay, yeah?

It’s a good deal, just diversify.

>>12321764
Its capped and restricted. You said 6 months, so I assume you can't sell the stock for at least 90 days after purchase, probably more, could be up to a year. If you genuinely believe its going to go up or stay the same, then its a good deal. Just remember it won't be liquid.

Since I’m bored and cant trade till last week of march can some people give me predictions or estimates on where SPY will be trading at. I want some post I can screenshot and then post about when I can finally trade again.

>>12321606
>he bough put options at the bottom.

>>12321774
this data only goes back the past ten years, not really useful.

>>12321865
They expire on Monday tard, it was a short term play. I was waiting for the hourly trend to break to make sure the lower high was set on the daily chart. But I had my GRE exam this morning so I bought the puts too early. REEEEEE

>>12321903
How many witches expire on Monday?

>>12321529
>This is hell for a day trader

If you live in the US your portfolio should be at least 25k in that case. Also, if it is and you do make a day trader's level of trades, you will qualify for a cheaper rate.

>>12321903
what are you whining about? Look at futures. APPL shit the bed. The USD/JPY flash crashed 5% while Japan markets are closed tomorrow. This week is looking to be a bloodbath.

>>12321899
GSL only has 10 years
TWST went public a few months ago
GOLD and ABX just merged

>>12321984
well there's not much information you can get form any of that, if you want to predict the future with any level of accuracy you need a huge dataset. In this case, I'm specifically looking at investment strategies after a signal like a yield curve inversion, of which there is a sample space of 1 in that time frame.

>>12322052
>predicting the future of a stock price based on its previous prices
Next you'll tell me you can predict the next roulette number based on past roulette spins.

>everyone posting about a crash again because one (1) tech company lowered its revenue guidance

>>12322072
I'm not trying to predict a stock price, I'm trying to predict average asset returns.

>>12322086
it's a signal on top of other signals, the china index going low + apple going low is very bearish

Guys, should i keep buying $MSFT? Been going balls deep these past 2 months.

Guys, should i keep buying $FB? Been going balls deep these past 6 months.

>>12322155
Sure thing msft pays decent dividends I think.

Short
P
Y

Long
C
I

Guys, should I keep buying GALT? Been going balls deep these past 6 months.

>>12322211
>>12322213
I have both LCI and GALT.

I'm a bull on Facebook cost average 164 dollar not planning on selling

>>12322072
>He doesn't know how to compute his own percentages.
>Doesn't wait for stock to fall to his price.

I think I'll start buying alibaba every month. Maybe it's success can outweigh the massive downer I got from investing in FB

>>12322244
you're going places

>>12322298
One moar cig though, lov.

Reminder that Apple is now down $14BN on its 2018 stock buybacks.

Reminder that stock buybacks are the last refuge of a failing company that can't think of anything else productive to invest in

When you see a company indulging in buybacks to prop up its share price, run away!

Once again biztards are going to get BTFO because of futures. Apple names the China jew and their markets were barely down today. Keep doing the most obvious moves everyday and stay poor.

>>12322311
imo shorting apple is still the way to go. they got a ways to fall.

>>12321426
historically home prices don't really go down, 2008 was an anomaly

Fuck my (stock)life

and then buffet buys the apple from the garden of nasdaq

psalm 35.10 Holy Comission

>>12322613
Apple can easily fall below 121. 2014 was before the bubble but at the height of iPhone mania.

TTTRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPP!!

>>12322691
"diversification"

>>12322856
>less than 50 stocks
>diversified
not quite

>>12322911
mmm grayons

>>12322595
SHCOMP peaked in 2007, at 6000. It's 2500 now. Chinese "markets" aren't indicative of anything

>>12322921
I wasn't saying they were and for sure not in the case of Apples overpriced shit. Was saying that no one seems to think it's possible to get short squeezed.

>>12322921
but their consumers are influenced by their "markets"

but from a stock standpoint their "markets" are nothing

>>12322949
>but their consumers are influenced by their "markets"
That's also not true. It's nothing but a vessel for speculation/gambling, not unlike Bitcoin. Their 401k equivalent isn't even in the stock market. Usually it's a mix of short term bond funds and money market funds that averages 4~9% a year.

Fuck tranny's thread (but dont fuck the tranny, you'll get an infection)

What are some books that I should read as a new person to investing, I want to enrich my mind as much as possible,(I have seen the books pastebin) BUT I am wondering if there are any books that made a breakthrough in your learning, if that makes sense. Thanks bros

>>12322691
I have only one long going ATM, pretty quiet during these market conditions.

It's gonna be a bloodbath today. Pepper your anguses, boys.

>mfw I short companies whose products I use frequently

>>12323082
Is it really? Only one of my 32 orders will be filled at this rate...

Give it to me straight /smg/,

How bad will it be?

>>12323338
141 at now

>>12323377
are these spikes really unfortunate market orders?

APPLE DOWN 30%

HOLY SHIT

>>12322185

You’re fucked

>>12323408
Zoom in

>>12323338
>>12323377
just buy another iphone and youll be good ;)

>>12323377
If it falls below 138.93 before the week ends it would a once in a 2 year occourence based on charts.

>>12323441
Explain every scribble scrabble psycho babble line here and why they matter and how they've improved your portfolio or gains

TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN

>>12323338
Will this be the day he croaks?

>>12323469
He'll just buy more to average down

>>12323454
They don't, I don't touch AAPL
Their last innovation was released in 2008, why would you expect them to increase in value?

>>12322911

This would put AAPL squarely in line with where I see the S&P headed this year. A 68% Fibonacci retracement from the 2018 S&P high would put the S&P just under 1000.

A similar percentage decline from the current price would put AAPL at 53.

Things are going to get really bad, the current bear market rally notwithstanding.

>>12323493
GREAT DEPRESSION 2 CONFIRMED

>>12323493
Same with Nasdaq?

>>12323493

Should I stock up on canned foods and water?

>>12323290
After succesfully shorting Micron, Tesla and Apple, I now only need FB to drop dead, in order to retire before 30.

>>12323493
not happening but sure stay deluded

>>12323579
congrats

Got Robninhood so I could lose money on my phone. Do they limit deposits after $1000 if it is a newer account? I tried to put in more and it takes 5 fucking days.

PPT will pump it green today

It's the start of 2350 - 2525 squiggle struggle

big golden bulls is going to take the bear cucks money today again.

>>12323700
Are you serious? Shorting this market has been easier than taking candy from small children under the age of 5.

>>12323700
nah, I THINK its going to get worse before any sort of bulling happening

>>12323756
Everyone thinks that which is why I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen.

I just got a call from the golden bull, he's been kidnapped and the ransom demands are everybody sell every share of every stock they own.

UWT cup and handle

>>12323800
if you want to avoid a recession we really need to have cheap oil, but fuck it I don't give a fuck, bring back $5 per gallon gasoline.

>>12323493
Ah! The sky! It's going to fall on us! My words are law!

So ABX became GOLD on Robinhood and can't be traded, what's up with that?

Going to laugh when the AAPL shorts get squeezed today.

>>12323817
There are like two oil camps.

Other says high oil = recession, other says low oil = recession. Both look at same chart, say a completely different thing, and say recession

>>12323849
That's why fundamental analysis doesn't work.

Yield curve flattening again. 10Y-2Y below 0.15

You imbiciles why is there thread forking every eu morning.

>Fed's Kaplan calls for pause in interest-rate hikes, says open to slowing balance sheet runoff.

>>12323847
>ABX became GOLD
That's the most biz thing to date

>>12323849
One is using the chart to predict, the other is pointing to the chart as a lagging indicator. The correct choice is oil demand will decline throughout next year.

>>12323969
>The correct choice is oil demand will decline throughout next year.

Because?

Are we really headed for another gap down slide up? What the fuck is this shit.

Job numbers just came out and are crazy strong. Fed said no hikes as well. Retarded bear fags in here are just that.

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>>12323978
Don't care. UWT cup and handle

>>12323934
lol the damage control. He's not even on the FOMC.

employment numbers look great. I'd be amazed if Powell didn't continue to be hawkish.

>>12324010

>>12324010
>Fed said no hikes as well.
In your dreams. And strong jobs numbers means MORE rate hikes.

>>12324024
Maybe but the retarded the world is ending sentiment because I said so in here is dumb.

Befor i even try is the Robinhood app supported outside USA?

>>12324010

>>12324027
Just basing it on what Kaplan said even though he doesn't ultimately decide it. You might be right but the dude just said that they might wait a couple Qs

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/feds-kaplan-calls-for-pause-in-interest-rate-hikes-says-open-to-slowing-balance-sheet-runoff-2019-01-03?mod=bnbh

>>12324035
I think stocks are going to come down further, but that doesn't mean the world is ending. I agree the doom and gloom porn can be exhausting.

>>12324035
The world isn't ending just because your portfolio goes down 30%. Keep calm and carry on.

>>12324041
They said 2 expected hikes this year. Could do 1 mid year one December or something.

>>12324046
I think tech gets hammered and the market will bleed some, but world war 3 and the great depression part 2 isn't happening yet.

>>12324047
Up 6% yesterday

>>12324010
Job numbers are manipulated. I fucking hate it. The reality is you're lucky to have a job if you do in the states.

>>12323847
Does anybody know what is gonna happen to my ABX calls? How much am i fucked?

>>12324064
Spotted the retard

>>12324010
Yet Continuing Jobless Claims keeps trending up

>>12324064
lmao bears are getting desperate. Muh conspiracy

>>12324090
This. Can't wait to watch the big players buy the aapl dip.

>>12324036
no

>>12324064
don't worry the fed will raise rates on strong employment data and fuck with equities some more.

Oh boy, can't wait for the delicious VIIX bump at 9!

>>12324090
>>12324095
>they think "big players" are going to buy the dip because of good jobs numbers
We had good jobs numbers every month last year. Shareholders don't give a fuck about that.
They want more growth and the fed to pause. The latter ain't happening with good jobs numbers.
Meanwhile Asia is shitting the bed and so will earnings.

>>12324103
k thnaks bro

>>12321343
Yeah :(
Yesterday tired me heck out was so busy

Atleast ON prices were relatively stable
Probably short bias today since we obvious not hodl 250

>>12324125
I think it's all calmed down and priced in already. The broader market doesn't care about some fruit company having poor sales in some 3rd world nation.

>>12324142
its ok

the important thing is that the OP was not made by one of the annoying tripfags

also does rkg ever post any trading strategy planning, or just guro and larp-posting now?

i miss the third rkg (late spring, early summer one)

>>12321588
>you should just dive in with both feet into the market with 25k without any idea what you’re doing

Most retarded thing I’ve read since browsing this board.

>>12321529
I feel you anon, but during the golden bull run we were all supposed to make it. Remember you have to pay commission to sell too. That’s 14 dollareedoos per full transaction per stock. Still should have made that during the golden years, but everything is dropping now so no one is making money unless they’re shorting, which requires 25k like the faggot above.

>>12324154
but the important thing is that TVIX is high, and VIIX follows it

so once VIIX catches up as markets resume, there will be a primo time to sell within the next half hour

>>12324165
Start trading options like a white man then.

Will oil ever recover?

>>12324035

>because I said so

That’s...not the reason

>>12324213
yeah dude cup the balls on uwt

this is all just 4d chess right lads? someone knows what's going on and we'll look back and say "oh ha ha ha how could we have got so worked up over this easily pradictable movement we were just focussing on the wrong thing ha haha" right lads? right?

>>12324239
hot war with china before the end of trumps first term, its the only way for him to keep his office at this rate.

Post your worst value traps, I'll start:

GM
F

>>12324252
apple spy dia

>>12324239
Markets dropping because Democrats are taking over the House. Once the mass arrest happens and GOP retakes the House through special elections it will resume the golden bullrun.

>>12324261
I think we are in for another 5 years of cheapies. Many companies will go belly up from ww3.

>>12324156
yes she posted a very nice trade yesterday
she will post another one today since you asked so nicelu

>>12324275
buy X

any pharmafags on here had CELG?

Tim Cook has AIDS

>>12324325
He does look like a massive homosexual.

>>12324325
cool but what does that mean for the share price?

I'm thinking about longing oil

15 minutes boys.

>>12324337
I am long oil tbqh.

PPT will ensure a green eod

>>12324325
and now so does his share price

>>12324341
>>12324337
I'll long oil too. If we all buy it surely that shit will go up.

Fuck watching Apple drop is hard

Plan 4 2 day!
Short Bias

While macroeconomic challenges in some markets were a key contributor to this trend, we believe there are other factors broadly impacting our iPhone performance, including consumers adapting to a world with fewer carrier subsidies, US dollar strength-related price increases, and some customers taking advantage of significantly reduced pricing for iPhone battery replacements.

They lost 9 billion dollars because people bought the cheap replacement parts instead of a whole new device. How retarded did this company think consumers were?

>>12324360
Expain every single psycho babble scribble scrabble color book line and how they've improved your future predictions and future gains

>>12324374
>macroeconomic
Translation: MAGIK ain't gotta explain shit.

>>12324337
I've been long since $50

>>12324360
>The transexual is short. Pump it.

>>12324374
to be fair, their primary consumer base is retards

GET READY BOYS

5 MINUTES

>>12324360
nice! quick pump then slow burn, or quick burn then slow sideways?

also what do you use for row size and value area volume, arbitrary ratio, golden ratio, 1:2 ratio, or varies by the day?

>>12324337
ive been longing WTI since it was under #1.90 a share
great values

>>12324374
isn't that related to some battery recall in the recent past?

>>12324392
PINK WOJAKS ARE GO

REPEAT: PINK WOJAKS ARE GO

SGYP friends, we fly today

>>12322631
Yeah. Home prices are very sticky because most owners have a mental block and refuse to "lose money" ie sell below what they purchased for. Obviously this ignores buying/selling fees , taxes, and inflation. But it tends to keep house prices going up or at least flat with few exceptions. Rising rates will likely mean a slow sellers market and flat prices for the 2019 and 2020. So in real dollars the house prices will be down 2-3% each year from inflation.

T-3 MINUTES

inb4 a massive stock pump for literally no reason

>>12324376
its magic
me am no of explain poop

I'm going to get really bullish in about 5 minutes. That's the thing about this market, you can't sit on the sidelines, you've got to get in there and skin bears.

Show time

>>12321432
Ask yourself where there room to grow is? What are their recent inovations. Curently their computers, even the ones they just refreshed, use old ass chips. And they are losing markets are to the Chinese and Koreans in the phone space.

>>12324415
I'm immune to this retarded market, do what you will my sails are down let the tides of fate take me where they will

markets close green today

cap it

There's no reason for some bullshit sjw phone maker to be the biggest company in the world

Fuck apple, let them go to $0

>>12324442
I''ll cap yo ass alright

>>12324442
go eat a dick, we're staying red as fuck

Applel heading towards the shitters

stay poor bullfags

>>12324408
Btw, thanks to the anon who said to buy this

>>12324442
>cap it

Who else put on iron condors when IV was high? Just need mine to lose .34 more in value before I take my 50% profits.

>>12324474
they're like lemmings, they will charge right off a fucking cliff.

Tower to Bravo India Zulu what's your flight plan today? Over.

>>12324480
I put on an iron condom during the weekend

this is it. we're going into the bear market proper now. gonna be rough for a while. are you guys ready? what are your plans?

>>12324495
I wouldn't count PPT niggers out just yet

>>12324495
Gonna have to start sucking dick for money. Not excited about it, but a jobs a job.

>>12324480
>implying IV isn't high right now

>>12324495
Long TLT

Lmao this must be a squeeze

>>12324504
>PPT

Shhh, let it happen. don't fight it.

>>12324520
It's fallen considerably over the last week, actually.

Ave Israel! Jerusalem te salutant!

>>12324360
short target met, gonna spend rest of day (at hospital ;_;)

>>12324520
fyi my only long in profit is FVE, up 20% kek

>>12324165
>Shorting daytrading requires 25k
Only if you're a brain let listen closely
>Buy SQQq to short (don't sell it)
>When you want to close your position buy tqqq in equal dollar amount (not # of shares, retard
>The next day sell the one that's going to drop, then sell what you hold, or wait or whatever.
That's how you close the position without daytrading penalties.
Look at all the possibilities with all the 3x etfs. Fas/faz DRn/drv uwt/dwt jnug/just etc. No need for 25k.

>>12324568
it's still fucking high. you're not in the stratosphere but still in the nosebleed section.

this is simply aapl impacting whole market, as said faang needs to get on normal levels after vertical rising prices. only then market can stabilize.

>>12324376
>>12323454

>>Expain every single psycho babble scribble scrabble color book line and how they've improved your future predictions and future gains

with TA you see only what you want to see

also line scribbles on a graph are lagging indicators by definition, they cant predict the future with any accuracy, only give insight into past events

>>12324590
oh fuck i forgot to long wti and ended up spending the first 30 minutes opening a GDX put position.

> mfw AMD

But why is it falling so hard compared to other tech stocks?

>>12324526
>that TLT gap up

I'm telling you lads, longing TLT has been free money since October, nobodies gonna move money from bonds to equities, aapl solidified that

>>12324411
You're not wrong, id like to add that real estate in general is considered a low liquid investment vehicle that's not as illiquid as treasury bonds. It's considered to be like an intermediate liquid and intermediate volatility investment between stocks and bonds. This is "real estate" in general commercial and residential and not always the case with so many variables. Source: textbook

>>12324590
>No need for 25k.
there is a need for ETF's though, doesnt work for individual stocks

also there is a need for that information to know how to do it

>>12324603
the real problem is FANG's oversized ratio in most ETF's and various funds

stocks no longer move just from their companies shares being traded, they move based on how each ETF holding said stock is moving too

its a nice way to drag many up with the success of the few, but its a double edged sword (metaphorically)

the real problem is the laziness of different institutional investors, copying each other's strategies

the cascading feedback loops help when its bull market, but they will become absolute killers during the eventual downturn

>>12324644
On top of being cyclical, AMD has massive debt that they first need to pay off. Intel does not.

>>12324644
because glued together poozen goyim shit is shit

Bulls no where to be seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPRkYWVinF0

>>12324595
Are we looking at the same thing? SPY's IV rank is only in the 35th percentile, down from ~70th percentile. VIX is down from 36 to 25 now.

>>12324485
Red one checking in

>>12321264
LF amazing agriculture stocks

Will SGYP make it to $1.00?

>>12324668
Begone from here Jew.

TLT confirming long only investors are fucked

>>12324485

Mind if I start this?
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>>12324666

>the real problem is the laziness of different institutional investors, copying each other's strategies

What other option do they have? When you’re a fund manager trying to allocate billions of dollars, you can’t buy low market cap companies in any meaningful amount. The end result is that most ETFs are a proxy for the overall market.

>>12324666
Thanks Satan

Smug Bull Status:
Reduced to Livestock only fit for Milking

When should I close my calls on SQQQ?

>>12324682
where the fuck do you think you are cracka?

CGA popping green.

>>12324677
SMG is always fun, if only for the ticker (and tiny dudeweed exposure)
potash, dow and dupont are good ones too

might you be looking for commodities markets instead?

>>12324667
Next week in CES AMD will show their Zen2.
It looks pretty good according to leaks.

>>12324690
AAAAAAAAAAAÀÁÂÄÆÃÅĀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12324682
doesn't INTC have more acquisitions/business in Israel than AMD?

>>12324711
SMG is more pot lately and im not looking for mainstream expensive stocks, i want rather some little gems

You've been warned. Now suffer.

>>12324705
It does not matter who we are. What matters is the plan.

>>12324726
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>12324705
chill out pls, the rate hikes will rape all, we all are chosen.

If you are longing oil right now, you've made a mistake. There is too much oil on the market, OPEC+ cuts we're inadequate and all the small players are cheating. US producers can't stop won't stop because of their debt. WTI should go to around 35 in the next 2 months. That's if the market doesn't tank, then it will go lower. That said, Trump starting a war in the ME as a diversion for his domestic issues would be really cool.

Also, FUCK PENDULUM.

>>12324743
What do you have against a 16 year okd kid

>>12324711
actually i want a company that grows mandarin oranges and packs and distributes em too. if exists.

>>12324738
This'll be like the 113th crusade? The one to end them all?

Not enough AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Are there no bulls left?

Is this Bloomberg stream the best thing to have on in the background all day

are they mostly fair and balanced and not left or right wing memers

bro is apple going to make us get a trading halt?

IF THE MARKET DROPS LEADING UP TO POWELL HAWK IS BEING PRICED IN

IM LITERALLY GOING ALL IN LONG TODAY

>>12324746
He's a permabull.

You doing alright kiddos? Heh-he, let's see 'em.

>>12324756
cnbc is similar, just with more shouting and ill-fitting shirts

>>12324756
fox business is the only one you should be watching.

Come on Facebook

Come on go over 165 dollars so I can sell

>>12324761
He’s also braindead

I’m a short term bond chad so doing alright. I got no balls and patience to short this volatile market.

Who /bull/ here?

Lol. Wtf is going with Celgene?

27 percent up Holy shit.

HOLY SHIT I HAVE CELGENE STOCK YEAAHOOOÖÖÖÖÖ I'M RICH

we'll test 2350 and fail. you heard it here firts.

Post crash music bear frens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK4FTvaW_6Q

>>12324768
>Who /bull/ here?

Patiently waiting for the bottom.

FORD SHIFTING TO QUARTERLY U.S. SALES REPORTS, FROM MONTHLY

>>12324762
ill fitting clothes is too disgusting for me to look at

>>12324763
but fox is republican biased which is just pathetic

>>12324772
S&P or Dow? lol

>>12324790
i meant hold, and S&P. test 2350 and hold

>>12324765
5 Stages of Grief

Denial [X]
Anger [X]
Bargaining [X] *NEW*
Depression [ ]
Acceptance [ ]

>>12324789
>fox is republican

>>12324678
Tomorrow is a big day in bankruptcy court, seems to be anyone's guess until we hear how that goes.

>>12324644

>>12324789
Fox isn't biased, you're just an npc bro.

>>12324738
>Trump starting a war in the ME as a diversion for his domestic issues would be really cool.

With what money? lol

you were warned

THIS IS SO BORING I WANT TO SEE A CIRCUIT BREAKER

>>12324698
>What other option do they have? When you’re a fund manager trying to allocate billions of dollars, you can’t buy low market cap companies in any meaningful amount. The end result is that most ETFs are a proxy for the overall market.
employ less people in retarded made up job
stop promising returns you cannot reach
take more risks since overcoming risk is the supposed reason you have that job in the first place (reason that job/career even exists)

its far too similar to 2008 (not exactly, but a few key parallels, but instead of junk debt, its junk ETF's)
overall economic impact will not on the same scale as how bad housing debts collapsing, but it will be quite noticeable for stocks

ETF's are creating a false sense of diversification, and its eventually going to bite some people in the ass

>>12324751
delmonte? Tropicana?

>>12324794
i really hope its not the same guy whose been posting about FB in the last few threads

it is getting depressing how textbook his 5 stages of FB is going

its painful to watch

>>12324801
everyone has a bias, absolutely every single person, every single reporter, every single media outlet

you cannot have a clear picture of events unless you see multiple viewpoints, but even then, you will have private biases of your own which will always change your perception, even if not deliberately

>>12324804
US doesn't need money to start wars

>>12324810
PPT hasn't even left yet

>>12321264
Something really odd going on. The way the bids and offers are freezing then quickly refreshing in bursts. I thought I was having connection issues, but then I checked FX and the inside market is behaving "typically" there.

>>12324737

Not all. If you don’t carry any debt and you don’t own any stock, the Fed Funds Rate can go to 20% and not hurt you.

Personally I hope it does so I can buy 30 year Treasuries paying 15% interest.

>>12324814
Yeah, but modern liberals are retarded communists. If you want to make money you've gotta do it conservatively. Therefor liberal view points are irrelevant and will just give you data that shouldn't even be part of the equation when you make your decision. All that will do is cloud your judgement.

>>12324844
what do you mean by this

i am an individual with no debt but i own stocks of course, if interest rates keep going up do i buy bonds instead of stocks?

ISM Mfg Crashes 54.1, Exp. 57.5, Last 59.3

>>12324666
>the real problem is FANG's oversized ratio in most ETF's and various funds

this was well known issue many investors pointed it out during last summer already when it started to look rly dangerous

Nice Celgene takeover for 75 billion

Buying CG rignt now

>>12324851
What would you rather have. Stocks that maybe go up or guaranteed 15% per year on your money?

Y is it so quiet here

>>12324804
Money is free and comes from nothing for the US government. It's why the trade deficit and outsourcing to China was intentional. Because US gives China worthless paper and received tangible goods in exchange. The only downside is the technology transfer. But anyway, starting a war is basically free, and practically, doesn't require congressional approval anymore. And it usually helps the market.

>>12324826
>US doesn't need money to start wars
>He doesn't know the US is withdrawing and becoming more isolationist around the world, mostly due to the looming fiscal disaster caused by endless, greedy money printing to fund kike wars in the ME

>people arguing about which cable news channel to watch
>not watching all of them at once, then comparing their conflicting views of the same event
do you even relativity?

>>12324842
those are called bots (algo traders, quants, ectera)

welcome to the twentyfirst century

>>12324849
usually true, but not always
and "conservative" side does this occasionally too

>>12324859
well known doesnt mean anyone has done anything to fix or ease the problem

oh fuck I bought a ficken VXX put when dick licker went long, and now i'm getting fucked. What do I do?

>>12324853
Sheeet. Lowest since 2016. That China Mfg miss wasn't an isolated event then

>>12324876
I mean they have liberals on Fox all the time, and 90% of the time I shake my head and die a little inside, but you're right there is that 10% of the time where I think well said.

Trump economic adviser Kevin Hassett predicts "a heck of a lot of'' U.S. companies will join Apple in announcing lower than expected earnings because of trade war: BBG

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12324873
The money is not free, it's payed for through inflation, passed on the the US consumer a hidden tax. Everyone pays the piper, even the mighty US.

Short
P
Y

Long
C
I

nude!

>>12324897
>>12324897
>>12324897

>>12324869
at a 15% mark probably bonds

the 40% years stocks have is pretty juicy tho

what rate do interest rates have to get to to have 15% bonds though? arent rates usually between like 1% and 5%?

>>12324814

>ETF's are creating a false sense of diversification, and its eventually going to bite some people in the ass

We’re on the same page. I wasn’t arguing with you, merely pointing out that the “law of large numbers” is in play with most ETFs.

The problem is that the original ETFs were based around liquidity and attempted to mirror a large index (SPY, QQQ, DIA,etc). Those did exactly what they set out to do...provide diversification and liquidity.

The last 15 years have brought too many ETFs that try to be too sector specific. e.g There are only so many Triple Net REITS, so almost by definition all ETFs dedicated to that space must hold the same stocks.

ETFs were never meant as a way to beat the market, and they won’t.

>>12324906
Bonds now are around 2% because the interest rate is somewhere around there, but it also depends on which bond you will buy (3 Month Bond, 10 year Bond).
You could carefully say that FED funds rate = Bond interest rate, but don't quote me on that. I know not much about bonds

>>12324771
BMS buying

>AMD
not gonna lie. I was getting justed the past few days but all is well that ends well.

>>12324886
>>12324892
information should be collected, then sorted into reliable and unreliable

sources should not be sorted out before they even have a chance to share information

its easier to get rid of too much info than it is to guess at info you never had in the first place

you can zoom on an image that is too big
buy you can only reliably zoom out so much if the image is too small

>>12324869
stocks that perform based on reality, not stocks that perform based on some investor's hopes and dreams

because only one of these is sustainable in the long run

>>12324908
>>ETFs were never meant as a way to beat the market, and they won’t.
exactly, but they have been for far too long
a correction (or a culling) is overdue for many overgeneralized ETF's

the needless copycat ETF's have infected the original functional ETF's, and this contamination is starting to seep uphill even more into the stocks themselves, instead of being contained in any individual shady ETF

Stocks should drive ETF prices, not the other way around

>>12324552
wh-where's the buy button?

Recession fears rising...

>had a SPXS put and an AMD call

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Noob question: if my BBB stock option is a JAN18C30 and the underlying is trading at 31.5, aren't I in the money? It shows me in the red, thanks friens

>>12325306
Yes, but "in the money" is a colloquialism that doesn't mean "profitable." It means that your option has intrinsic value. You can still lose extrinsic value, though, which is invariably why you're in the red.

>>12325354
>extrinsic
like, the time value of the option itself? I.e, as it approaches expiration, it gets less and less attractive?

so is it time to double down on apple or should i give it a week to find the bottom?

>>12325458
The value/price of an option is determined by its intrinsic value + its extrinsic value. Intrinsic value is just the current underlying price - the option strike price. So if a stock is trading at $50 and you have a call option at a strike price of $45, it has $5 of intrinsic value while a call option of $50 or above would have no intrinsic value.

Extrinsic value basically boils down to the time on the option and the expected volatility of the underlying. So an option with 365 left days aught to have a lot more extrinsic value than an option with 20 days left and both will have their extrinsic value decay at different rates. In addition, options will be priced higher when the underlying is expected to make a large move rather than when its expected to be relatively docile. It should be noted that at expiration, options are only worth their intrinsic value, which is why options decay in the first place.

>>12321764
Best bet is to buy the maximum, hold for the minimum amount of time then sell. Chances are you will be in the black. If not hold till you are. Base that calculation on the discounted price. But you want to avoid having your company's stock as a major portion of your assets.