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Fuck your IPO if you want fuck

some gooks ico scam.. others ipo scam

Makes sense with the giant crypto market crash. They must have made a ton in 2017 though.
>>12008528
I would.

>>12008403
Hi Craig

>>12008403
So is this a big deal or no? Not a bitcoin guy.

>>12008403
If they have to sell Bitcoin to cover their losses, it could get really ugly.

>>12008403
BTCKING555 works for Blockstream.
Blockstream is a company and a direct competitor of Bitmain.
Blockstream has received funds from secret investor.
>Guess what company is behind she shell company that invested in Blockstream lol

https://www.coindesk.com/fidelity-bitmain-and-more-invest-27-million-in-crypto-trading-platform-erisx

>>12008403

Bitmain is about to get rekt during the incoming BTC dump.

>>12008943
Digital Currency Group and AXA

>>12009478
Post more

>>12008943

Blockstream received $50 million in funding from AXA Strategic Ventures under Henri de Castries. Henri de Castries is literally a friend of (((Angela Merkel))) and heavily involved in the Bilderberg Group.

Blockstream also got their funding from Digital Currency Group which is a venture capital firm whose board director is Glenn Hutchins of the Federal Reserve Bank. MasterCard also invested in Digital Currency Group.

>>12008943
>>12009478
>>12009504

Revealing article on Henri de Castries: https://archive.is/ExfTv

>“Mrs Merkel’s actions during the refugee crisis were absolutely the right thing,” says de Castries, referring to German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s open invitation to refugees to seek out Europe. Such generous actions “are what we stand for,” he continues.

He's pro EU, anti-Brexit, pro-Merkel, pro-immigration, etc... He's anti-white and anti freedom. In other words an absolute piece of shit.

That's the kind of people who are involved in anti-Bitcoin operations such as Blockstream, and who support garbage such as Segwit, LN, ABC, and hire shills to attack SV and spread disinfo.

>>12009517

So what the fuck does all this mean for the price? That's all I want to know.

>>12008518
>trying to preserve the Euro from total free fall as the Saudis clamp down, Russians push in, and people fucking riot about fuel prices
>he thinks he can stop all of France hedging with crypto
>he didn't listen to sminem

Macron can either learn the lesson Brexit taught Europe and finally ditch the wretched mess or watch Marine la Pen fucking deck him next election.

>>12008943
>>12009478
>>12009504
>>12009517

Digital Currency Group's "portfolio" includes:

ShapeShift
Ripple
Kraken
Etherscan
Circle
CoinDesk
Coinbase
Bitwala
Purse.io

Just to name a few.

>Something to note about Kraken and Shapeshift and Purse:

Kraken's DGC involvement is why Kraken is anti-SV and pro-ABC. Not because Roger Ver invested in them, it's mainly because of DGC, they were "instructed" to be anti-SV. And Shapeshift now require registration with a full KYC procedure. Purse is pro-ABC and anti-SV (Roger shills it).

>>12009598
forgot the relevant link, here it is:

https://dcg.co/portfolio/

>>12008943
Yeah It's obvious but at least we get some inside info.

>>12009504
Kek so big money is in *at least* since 2014
That's how low we are going to crash

>>12008943
>>12009478
>>12009504
>>12009517

Digital Currency Group's "portfolio" includes:

ShapeShift
Ripple
Kraken
Etherscan
Circle
CoinDesk
Coinbase
Bitwala
Purse.io

Just to name a few. Everything here: https://dcg.co/portfolio/

>Something to note about Kraken and Shapeshift and Purse:

Kraken's DCG involvement is why Kraken is anti-SV and pro-ABC. Not because Roger Ver invested in them, it's mainly because of DCG, they were "instructed" to be anti-SV. And Shapeshift now require registration with a full KYC procedure. Purse is pro-ABC and anti-SV (Roger shills it).

>>12008943
So, buy SV?

i hate bcashies with a passion.

muh corecuck muh blockstream muh censorship muh segshit muh muh

>>12009517
>wanting to help people makes you an absolute piece of shit if the people look different to you
never change, pol, you lunatics

>>12009757

Is 10 enough to moderately make it?

>>12009847

You mean helping to genocide the White race. Yes, that makes you a piece of shit. Unless you are a Jew, then you think said individual is doing something good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgZBZ5ZUW-8

>>12009828
muh independent thoughts
Just shut the fuck up and listen to the thought leaders you cashie cucklords

>>12009757
Yes, but what's funny here is >>12008943 seems to be implying that Wright's company is behind Blockstream or something similar -- that's a talkingpoint given to paid anti-SV shills to parrot online. I've seen them post that before here and on twitter and elsewhere. The ABC shills were saying "Wright is Blockstream spy!!" on reddit during the beginning of the hashwar.

It's pulled out of thin air and makes absolutely zero sense, but they're counting on people's ignorance and being unaware of the history of the war against Bitcoin (which today is known as SV, and /was/ known as BCH before they turned traitors and went full core retard mode).

The anti-Bitcoin shills very often accuse people of being guilty of what they themselves are, or rather their employers are. And they've realized that by now a lot of people are redpilled on Blockstream and think "Blockstream = bad" and simultaneously Blockstream has little worth to our (((enemy))) anymore since BTC is basically a walking corpse at this point and crippled enough to no longer pose a threat, and now they have ABC, so they don't mind using the word "Blockstream" as a psychological weapon in disinfo operations.

Also, in addition to the above, >>12008943 is at the same time as he's subtly promoting the Wright=Blockstream garbage, he's also trying to make people see Bitmain (Bitmain being pro BTC and ABC) as a victim and feel sorry for them etc, because "Blockstream is a competitor to Bitmain"... so that's the two layers of poison in his post.

So, funnily, >>12008943 is probably a paid shill, sent here by (((the enemy))), but he got BTFO by real facts.

>>12009864
Moderately, yes. Eventually (after some years).

>>12010108

What's SV going to pump to and when is bitcoin finally going to go down to 2k. And please tell me why's its kind of soon.

> i have 10 sv

>>12010192
EVENTUALLY, long-term, SV will be worth what BTC was. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years from now SV is between $5000 to $10000. And it should continue going higher than that as well, and do so with more success than BTC because SV doesn't have a limited blocksize so transfers will always be fast and almost free. And perhaps most importantly online stores and businesses will begin adopting SV massivley (which didn't happen so much with BTC), so that should also help the price grow. More use = more value = higher price.

>When is bitcoin finally going to go down to 2k
Don't know. Maybe it won't, but it's very possible it will. If it does, then probably within the next 3-5 months.

>>12010332
The only place SV is going and any Bitcoin variant other than core is 0. Yall underestimate the importance of brand name, and all the Bitcoin alts smell like knockoffs of the real thing. If they want to stand any chance whatsoever they need to stop using the word Bitcoin in their name, the one thing that they all think helps them is actually why they will ultimately all fail

>>12010416
BTC is an alt.

>>12010416

On the contrary, while the BTC fork of Bitcoin stole the "Bitcoin" branding, it won't help them at all - because all that matters in the end is the tech. BTC is technically completely fucked. That's why it stands no chance. Same with ABC.

>>12010542
corecucks btfod forever

>>12008755
Why would Bitmain even have any SV left? The SV they got from the BCH they had, they've already dumped.

>>12009478
>Digital Currency Group
DCG was part of the new york agreement
they tried to push S2X which had 95% of miners and service provider support
it failed
bitcoin maintained consensus and isn't controlled by anyone
butthurt shills continue to post here and make up conspiracy theories

>>12010542
imagine being this retarded lol

>>12011958
>>12011990
Another shekel for the good goy...
>*hand rubbing intensifies*

>>12012083
can't deny the facts nigger

>>12008403
Ouch. And whales are about to kill them as well. They're about to dump to below their mining cost and kill them.

>>12009554
we will have the greatest bull run in the near future to attract the majority of world population and once ((they)) see the price go to astronomical level they will commence the greatest dump in cryptocurrency history thus imposing a negative sentiment to the image of blockchain currencies thus killing it in the process

>>12012143
>to attract the majority of world population
Wait... what would the majority of the worlds population want bitcoin for?

>>12012166
as a hedge against failing fiat currencies, an embargo
it's easily accessible and easy to transfer
80% crash sucks lol but it's not worse than Venezuela's currency
there's still some progress to be made I don't see this happening for a few more years at least

>>12009757
Fuck it, I'm in. Scammy shitcoin fork, but I'm not stupid. I see what's up.

>>12012196
And yet the entire worlds population doesn't hold gold. Strange.

>>12012208
more people have access to a cellphone than access to a gold dealer

>>12012219
but with a cellphone you can access a gold dealer

>>12012208
also look at all the gold confiscation around the world
bitcoin is a better asset to hold

$100 Billion ICO SCAM

>>12011990
Seems to me like he made a good point and you had nothing to throw at him except "lol, ur retard"

>>12008403
STIFF

>>12008943
evil mastermind

>>12012143
Yeah that already happened around this time last year. Crypto bull run was kind of a one-shot deal, sorry.

>>12012256
he image is false and stupid
node subsidies?
non pow consensus?
calling bitcoin a fork?

it's so fucking stupid and false
bitcoin is the consensus with the most pow
nodes are integral to the network's security
if people program on top of multisig wallets by linking networks together that's 1000x smarter than breaking everything by leaving no block limit
you must be a moron to not get this
there's a physical limit on how much data can be passed through a network
the more data required the more centralized it becomes

it isn't that hard please kill yourself if you don't see this

>>12012360

>>12008403
>Beating a dead horse

Fud is pointless when everything is going down.

>>12012656
not wasting anymore time with you
the market shows you're wrong

>>12012787
The market shows you're wrong.

>>12012787
Your VPN or proxy or whatever turned off.

Looks like Jihan is panic selling the rest of his ABC to cover costs. What a shitshow.

>>12012234
This tard is anti-Bitcoin (Whitepaper) and pro BTC and attacks gold and tells you to not hold any... even says BTC is a better asset... The paid agents are becoming embarrassingly obvious.

>>12009884
>>12009828

These are literally pajeets paid to shitpost and sway opinions. Can't get any more obvious.

>I will release the private docs I received next week at the conference once they become public. Amaury, Roger, Jihan, Jess Powell, Kraken and others named. Their life is going to get more exciting. Market manipulation and more. 2:13 PM - 21 Nov 2018
Of course he revealed nothing. And SV retards have already forgotten about it.
In 1-2 weeks they would have forgotten about OP's claims, too. And these guys will just publish another lie.
Unfortunately getting rid of SV trolls and brainlets is only possible if they suddenly become smart. And that's never going to happen.

>>12013302
I hope to christ somebody comes along and hires so much astroturfed pajeet bullshit BTC and blockstream will never be spoken of without reference to streetshitting ever again. I am *SO FUCKING SICK* of their propaganda campaigns and the idiots who suck them up so easily. Greg Maxwell deserves cancer even more than Mircea Popescu.

>>12010477

This

>>12011916
Proof that they already dumped.

>>12013226
SATOSHI WHITE PAPER SATOSHI WHITE PAPER
>SATOSHI WHITE PAPER SATOSHI WHITE PAPER
SATOSHI WHITE PAPER SATOSHI WHITE PAPER
>SATOSHI WHITE PAPER SATOSHI WHITE PAPER

just disregard the consensus and pow arguments in there
you're worse than a cock sucking priest

>>12013446
think Dr.Satoshi tweeted it

>>12013406
>literal brainlet who wasn't around for S2X

>>12013515
In since 2011. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, hash follows profitability and profitability alone. I'm too tired to even muster any venom to give you the serve you deserve so just unironically kill yourself.

is it a pro abc or pro sv shill thread?

>>12013540
ok enjoy your shitcoin that's 3.5% or 2.2% of 1 bitcoin that you call bitcoin
you 2011 scholar genius LOL

>>12013543
I don't know they're both so fucking stupid

>>12013553
I'm 95% out of the game and will remain so until your shitcoin dies the death you so richly deserve. Until that happens, this market will go nowhere. "ZOMG MOON LAMBO" fucking retards like you have utterly wrecked the space and progress is impossible with you hanging on sperging out and lying your poisonous guts out.

Holy fucking fuck it feels good to hold SV

>>12013567
the absolute state of nocoiners
doesn't even hold the alt shit he's shilling

>>12013574
5% of your fucking papdum budget may be nothing pajeet. 5% of mine could buy your entire streetshitting village.
Remember this moment when you fall. Remember there was no other possible alternative. Remember that you are a clueless lowlife cunt that deserves, and indeed is capable of, no better.

>>12008518

Good luck enforcing that.

>>12013585
I starting buying more this week for the first time since 2015
I guarantee I hold more in bitcoin right now in the bear then you've made in your entire life

>>12013592
Ask me how much I value your guarantees. Tell it to someone who regards you as something other than an argument for compulsory sterilisation.

>>12009884
Independent thoughts is a good one. Bcashers are the flat-earthers of crypto.

>>12013603
you brought up money nigger
I don't believe you would be pissed at bitcoin if it made you millions
which it should have many times over if you're a 2011 head
but you're not, you're a liar, so your opinion is shit

>>12013616
Unsurprisingly you have no fucking idea what Bitcoin was actually supposed to be, so how would you understand being enraged by the subversion thereof onto something diametrically opposed to that purpose? You're a moonlambo fucktard incapable of actually understanding utility.

>>12008403
Jihan will get his revenge

>>12013603
>an argument for compulsory sterilisation
Based and stiffpilled

>>12013629
are you're a no coiner that supposedly was around in 2011 but sold
the utility is a decentralized project which you have no understanding of
nobody wants a transaction throughput utility the market decided that

>>12012230

In theory, yes, in practice no. You also won't be able to hold your gold physically cause that would drive the price through the roof (Remember there is at least 10x more paper gold than physical in existence).

Bitcoin, on the other hand, is a lot easier to acquire and hold with cellphone. You also don't have to worry about being cheated with tungsten in your gold bars.

>>12013652
decentralised projects aren't decentralised when 99.9%+ of the throughput is forced through centralised channels turbo nigger. I realise it uses a lot of big words and it's far too complex than you're capable of understanding, but perhaps you could quaff a heavy dose of Adderall and try to wrap your loathesome and inadequate mind around >>12012656
Your shitcoin is no more decentralised than your mother's cunt is otherwise.

>>12013675
it's simple
more tx throughput = more resources for nodes
larger node requirement = less nodes
less people being able to verify the network = trending towards centralization

anyone can transact on chain but they get a better deal if they do it efficiently (tx batching, segwit, etc.)
cryptocats and coffee shouldn't be on node if that means eliminating nodes who can't keep up (centralizing the system)

your understanding of LN is wrong, but the main chain will always be available to use and never centralized garbage like 99.9% of alts

>>12013699
Wrong, you theorise about a failure mode that isn't empirically validated at all, whilst ignoring the empirically validated one that has spent the past year fucking the entire market in the ass and everybody with two neurons to rub together knows it, and yet you whinge and cry about muh lambo without the slightest hint of comprehension of just how much you and the toxic worthless shiteating assholes like you have destroyed the very fundamental value proposition of the entire space.

>>12009478
>>12009504
>>12009517
>>12009622
>>12009634
>>12009757
>>12010108
>>12012300
>First off all I am not a shill, I hold BTC, BCH-ABC and BCH SV, also I couldn't care less who wins, Blockstream, Bitmain or Coingeek/NChain and you shouldn't either.

What's most important is that you know that all these projects have skeletons in their closet and you don't become a mindless shill fanboy.

What you should care about as an investor is that you are going to make $$$ money $$$.
If you are going to invest, buy an equal amount of all of them and let them fight each other while you enjoy your popcorn.
If one of them becomes the dominant currency and is $100k a coin and the other two die you still have made a badass profit.

>>12013736
if temporary high tx fees caused the bear market then your shitcoin alt should be going up but it isn't
there has been market fluctuations similar to this at least 4 or 5 times now with only 1 being attributed to mt.gox
you have no skin in the game why are you so butthurt
go develop something better faggot

>>12008518
This is actually really good. Means you can trade all you want on binance and then just pay 30% of btc to cash and be done. Easier than being jewed for each trade.

>>12008518
bogs starting to move in guise, I'm surprised no one is mentioning them.

>>12013759
The idiocy you are presently displaying caused the bear market. The high TX fees, which are by no means temporary, your fucking cockbuddy nullc was actually toasting champaign regarding them and views them as *DESIRABLE AND FUCKING NECESSARY* you weak kneed cuntbrained blathering shitcock. And they are not the only symptom of your fucking idiocy. The primary fucking symptom of your idiocy is that slightly more than 50% of the present market is dominated by *OTHER USELESS CLUELESS FUCKSTAINS LIKE YOURSELF*, thereby making it clear to anybody who has the slightest fucking clue the entire ecosystem is presently a waste of time until you are flushed like the worthless turd you are.
You cannot ignore the shitcoin pegged to all the other potentially viable competitors that are not so compromised when it constitutes the majority of the market. All you can do is correctly recognise that until it is otherwise, the entire space is irreconcilably compromised.
Developing something better while your worthless shitcoin still has any influence over the market would just be providing yet another cushion for its ass as it flails in pain while the remaining 99.5% of the economy looks at crypto and correctly evaluates it based on its poster child as an absolute laughing stock waste of time for utter retards like you.

>>12013778
All your arguments are extremely emotional and asshurt. I think the other guy is correct.

>>12013778
well we're not going anywhere so kill yourself faggot

>>12013815
Go towards your mother's cunt, I give less than your room temperature IQ what you think.

>>12013824
I hope not. It is my sincerest wish that you are ground into the mud you presently inhabit like the worthless swine you are. By all means. Stay right fucking there.
I'm done with you, you've exceeded my disgust threshold for the day.

>>12013736
Bitcoin of every persuasion is fuckin dystopian. Transparent ledgers are retarded.

>>12013742
This kind of complacency won't be rewarded. There's always the possibility something else will take over.

>>12013835
Do you have a single argument besides extremely butthurt comments and ad hominem?

I'm guessing you bought BCH at $8,000 or something and that's where all this vitrol is coming from.

>>12013854
read >>12012656 though I don't expect you to understand it given your demonstrated muh feels level shitbrained moron whining.

>>12013851
>Transparent ledgers are retarded.
Yeah I'm fucking bored and disgusted enough with this space as a whole I'm interested in hearing a reason why if you could be bothered. Go ahead.

>>12013870
>read >>12012656
Your only arguments are parroting what somebody else said? Okay NPC

>>12013880
I wrote it, shithead. Others have been quoting it because it is simply correct.
If you're too fucking stupid to grasp that, well, that's largely the problem with this space and not mine anymore, fuck yourself.

>>12013887
>screencapping your own post
cringe

>>12013880
>>12013887
he's 2011 too but sold

>>12013896
I didn't screencap it. I just wrote it.
Some people with a brain are actually left in this space, and they do actually pay attention to what is said and digest it. Unlike worthless cunts like you who simply fellate blockstream/core all day like the unthinking useless automatons you are.

>>12013919
You obviously lost a lot of money in crypto, that's why you're so angry. I don't believe you've been in since 2011 at all. Nobody gives a fuck about how "disgusted" you are.

>>12013925
Wow, a coretard predicted my anger at his faction's subversion of the entire space from peer to peer electronic cash into permanent enslavement to the state and central banks is because I didn't make enough money on the deal.
THAT IS SO UNPREDICTABLE
I'M FLOORED
Fuck off cunt, *I* don't give a fuck about anything to do with you except when you're going to die and stop shitting up the space.

>>12013940
>still being this asshurt to type in all caps
Nobody is buying your shitcoin that somebody conned you into believing "was the real bitcoin" my 2017 buyer friend, you're just going to have to deal with those heavy bags and learn some anger management skills to cope.

>>12013952
Tell someone who is interested
Tell someone who'll keep their lunch digested
Tell someone who wants your conversation
Tell someone who doesn't regard you as an argument for compulsory sterilisation

>>12013879
Because everyone can trace every transaction. Everyone can deduce how much money you have and how much you spend and probably a bunch off other things. It's not something that has ever really happened with money before. Cash and gold can't be tracked and even with banks today not too many people can see your info. It's also worth remembering that transactions will be there on the block chain forever. You never know when it could come back to bite you.

The other thing is fungibility. If each coin has a unique history it is different from other coins and that means a different value. For example coins from government sanctioned exchanges would be worth more than coins from a drug deal. Everyone has to watch out that they get coins that aren't tainted and that's very inefficient for a currency.

Also Monero scales on chain. This guy is the best to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECqcf-Nyjmw

>>12008403
THANK YOU DADDY CRAIG

>>12013969
Cash can be tracked with serial numbers. Gold dealers all over the world are frequently taking the same AMLKYC information as exchanges. And "Everyone can trace every transaction" is a feature of the present landscape of certain coins, not an invariable. ZK-snarks, ring signatures etc largely invalidate that. Point being at worst it is no worst than the mainstream controlled financial system, and at best it stands to be signfiicantly better.
Any rate, none of that matters, because the market is packed with utter retards who have stacked it and pegged all activity to the worth of the utter shitcoin shilled by unthinking pajeets like >>12013952. It doesn't *matter* how great XMR ZEC whatever is, because they're all pegged by bot activity and trading pair to the shitcoin that is BTC, and they will remain suppressed by it for as long as BTC remains alive. And there is no limit to the irrationality or idiocy of people who support it, so who the fuck knows when or indeed even *if* that will ever be fixed.
Until it is, we're all just wasting our time here.

>>12013968
>still being this angry
Nobody cares faggot, enjoy those heavy ass bags and LARPing as if you've been in since 2011.

>>12013996
You don't warrant anger. You're beneath contempt. You barely even warrant disgust. You're what one might think of a distasteful stream of shit smelling ooze wandering down a street at night, and nothing more; an indicator that this is probably not the kind of neighborhood you want to spend a lot of time in.
The world will be a better place when you are removed from it. I have nothing else to say to you and will not be wasting my time on further replies.

>>12012321
>Crypto bull run was kind of a one-shot deal, sorry.

>newfag wasn't around for 2013

wewwwwwww

>>12014023
It's hilarious how morons can claim that someone doesn't warrant anger and then work themselves up into a SEETHE in the same post.

Bagholder rage is real.

>>12013989
>It doesn't *matter* how great XMR ZEC whatever is
It doesn't. It's about how terrible transparent ledgers are. Lack of privacy and fungibility is just unusable when it comes to money. Currently bitcoin's not used as money, the closest it comes is as a hop between people cashing out fiat at either end of a drug trade. Bitcoin solved the Byzantine generals problem but it didn't do enough to create a usable new money. The argument about serial numbers on cash and kyc at gold dealers are pure cope. There is nothing resembling the level of public transparency and permanence of blockchains today.

>>12014023
You completely lost the argument btw, that's why the only thing you have left is to resort to a string of absolutely assblasted insults.

Imagine actually being a massive bagholder of various shitcoin forks claiming to be "the real bitcoin" while getting extremely angry while trying to claim you've held Bitcoin since 2011.

I cannot imagine being that pathetic.

>>12014033
Given all the other abject failures of BTC, I just can't even be bothered to care about this fairly minor by comparison one. Yeah, you're right, but so what, you're commenting on the unacceptability of the shit smelling cabins on the titanic as the ship is going down. Bigger problems with that particular can than the ones you're focusing on.
But yeah, you're right fwiw.

>>12013989
>"Everyone can trace every transaction" is a feature of the present landscape of certain coins
That's why Bitcoin et al are fucked. Some people think privacy and fungibility will be added at some point but realistically that fucks up too many peoples workflows and their vision of bitcoin.

>>12014040
he destroyed you desu, it's sad you don't realize it. Both for what it implies about your self awareness as well as the weight it lends to the idea he might be right about the entire space in general.

>>12014033
can a service provider prove funds on monero

>>12014078
>he destroyed you desu
He did not present a single argument, just an incoherent string of insults. Sorry brainlet.

>>12014049
Like I said Monero also solves scaling without resorting to blockstream chain and in many respects has better governance. For example the forum funding system mitigates influence from companies funding developers and having some anonymous coders protects them from physical influence like having their family murdered for not going along with some direction.

>>12014088
Yep with the "view key".

>>12014089
the entire lightning / liquid / bakkt blockstream thing is a well known fact by now, to the point it's kind of boring and memey, and all he did was point it out and triggered you vigorously by doing so.
Of course you don't think he presented an argument, you're brainwashed into thinking the ones he did are conspiracy theories. But that's exactly what's frightening about it. He is right about your stupidity, and you really do represent a very large fraction of the present market space.
I think we might be just plain fucked until we offload people this stupid.

>>12014107
that's interesting
how are their 2nd layer projects coming along?
I was reading about a merge mined project called tari but couldn't find any progress
I think that merged mining might be the next big step

>>12014109
>Of course you don't think he presented an argument
He didn't, your confirmation bias is showing.

>>12014101
I don't know if I'd say it's "solved" in XMR. Definitely "more solved" than BTC, but once again, that's a super low barrier to hurdle.
Simple fact remains, while we're pegged to retards like the BTC moonbois, we're not going anywhere. No matter how many nice things there are outside that particular shitcoin.

>>12014127
It's not confirmation bias. >>12012656 is simply factual, and easily verifiable. You can keep ignoring this as much as you like but you understand you just make the case that you are indeed the problem with the space he pointed out you are by doing so.

>>12014109
see >>12011958
you're putting bitcoin in a place where
no fork = blockstream
S2X fork = NYA influences
you can't win

>>12013778

Based anon, if more people had used their brains and supported Bitcoin (BCH) we'd all be a lot fucking wealthier than we are now.

Instead the banks won and the stupid fucks like the dumbcunt you're replying to still believe BTC could ever rise when normies are busy paying $50 per transaction and having to wait hours and days for a fucking confirmation.

It really redpilled me on just how stupid the average person is.

>>12014142
There was a fork; a soft fork, to activate segwit, that Core and their coterie of cultists only ever got by bait and switching with S2X. And lightning, liquid, and bakkt are the observable results of that fork. BTC simply is centralised now. There's no debate about it.
The way you "win" is if hashpower had actually signaled for segwit2x without a blocksize increase, if the exchanges hadn't said they'd follow the core devs no matter what hashpower does, etc etc etc. But none of that happened, because it is simply correct that BTC is centralised.
That battle is over. All you can do is prove it was necessary / superior to the alternatives. Maybe it is, I don't know. But there's no question that it happened.

>>12014125
The Tari guys say about two years hopefully. There is some fundamental math type stuff that needs to be worked out to have refund transactions work with Monero first. Realistically there isn't really any progress there yet besides the fact that it's funded, which is pretty important still.

>>12014129
Yeah the last pump was just straight up retards. I think it's going to take real deterioration in existing institutions for people besides moonbois to actually look at this space and asses the things that matter, not just gambling on what might pump.

>>12014142
There was a fork; a soft fork, to activate segwit, that Core and their coterie of cultists only ever got by bait and switching with S2X. And lightning, liquid, and bakkt are the observable results of that fork. BTC simply is centralized now. There's no debate about it.
The way you "win" is if hashpower had actually signaled for segwit2x without a blocksize increase, if the exchanges hadn't said they'd follow the core devs no matter what hashpower does, etc etc etc. But none of that happened, because it is simply correct that BTC is centralized.
That battle is over. All you can do is prove it was necessary / superior to the alternatives. Maybe it is, I don't know. But there's no question that it happened. The point about the implicitly centralized topology of lightning is well known and widely accepted and observable in any network explorer that covers the area, and tampering with BTC via bakkt and liquid is even more easily accomplished by central parasitic actors. For a case to be made that this is ok, it can't be denied that the above actually happened, only that it was necessary or superior to the alternatives.

>>12009847
Let a million militant aged muzzies in with no identity checks to fuck your country up after your cronies started a war and kidnapped tens of thousands of s(a)yrians to be sold on the black market to your pedo mates. Yeah, based merkel.

>>12014163
having a consensus is centralized to you
you don't get it

>>12014152
> It really redpilled me on just how stupid the average person is.
One of the things I consider having learned from this entire affair is exactly that. I will no longer whiteknight for the average joe. The average joe is a clueless fucktard who deserves nothing more than a bullet, and in fact for the majority of human history his role in an empire was to eat the equivalent of one for the time, or at the very least cover the risk of it, and that was his economic value.
Normies were and are a mistake, and are becoming more and more of a mistake with every passing year that invalidates the economic value of the purposes they at one point serve. They not only deserve what they get, but they are constitutionally incapable of ever being fit for anything else. They are useless human cattle who would rather be tortured to death than face the agonising prospect of actually having to engage in critical thought.
I will never in my life again go out of my way to work for an outcome which benefits normies over autists.

ETHEREUM CLASSIC IS UNDER 51% ATTACK SPREAD THE NEWS!

>>12014169
it's supported by a bunch of capital firms which goes back to you saying
>>12014101
>mitigates influence from companies funding developers
and tari devs and monero devs overlap

I don't like how it's "ASIC-resistant" because it requires those devs to make decisions on the next pow, that can be corrupted

there are a couple other things I'm unsure about but I do like others it's my 2nd favorite project

>>12014179
the problem is that the minority of people do actually get it, they're observably correct and it can be verified, and the majority don't, and that too can be verified.
Only reasonable conclusion is >>12014129 is indeed correct. Until you and those like you are reduced to your actual value of zero, the market can't move meaningfully upward.
I will be waiting until you are crying rather than defiant, and if that never comes I will not be going back in. This pool is worthless while it is supporting fools like you.

>>12012360
Wanting maximum decentralisation doesn't weigh in to the incentives for miners. The coin that has the most throughput and fees when the next halving occurs will attract miners. BTC is losing hashpower and price. Last one it went down 15% so if many people wanted to make txs or miners starting spamming the network again, blocktime will be 15% longer causing more congestion. Price is tanking further, more miners switch off, difficulty can only adjust 20% down in a single 1024 block period, tx lag by 20% leading up to this, more selling, price tanking more, more hashpower switching off, hashrate drops 30%, shills "google still couldn't even add 0.5% hashpower to the bitcoin network, network lag 30%, more selling, more tx, 1024 blocks now takes 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks for next difficulty adjustment, drops 20%, network still congested +10% at the beginning of the next difficulty adjustment interval so next 1024 block will start taking 10% longer to occur, more congestion and losing ground to a growing mempool, .....

>>12014221
>supported by a bunch of capital firms
You're right but they are not the people funding the main protocol and since monero can scale on chain the side chain stuff is just extra. Quite different from Bitcoin's situation.

>devs to make decisions on the next pow
The plan is to eventually use an algorithm where asics are very commoditized. Hopefully that could mean existing consumer hardware using random js. If that fails though it is understood that Monero can't fork the algo forever. Under the current circumstances leaving bitmain with the only asics just meant they would have a permanent 51% attack.
Here's some info on the random js idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLbc2xKCGhI

For sure nothing's perfect but Monero is my favourite for now.

>>12014292
the most stupid and autistic post I've read so far
bcashabc is 3.5% of bitcoin
bcashsv is 2.2% of bitcoin
when one of these gets 3000% more in fees than block reward it might start competing with bitcoin
GOOD LUCK

>>12014292
False dichotomy. BTC is not maximum decentralization. Liquid bakkt and lightning conclusively proved that. Everything else you said is correct. Decentralization and scaling are actually aligned goals, not mutually exclusive. At any given point in time the fabric of the network has a transaction throughput that it can support, and fee pressure is set based on that throughput, if the network is attacked by states or other hostile actors, that throughput will reduce in concert with the effectiveness of that attack, but at all times it will remain actually present.
By contrast, once the funds are centralized in lightning hubs, the network simply has two states; working and not. The hubs can be painlessly captured, and if the capture fails, destroyed, and no remnant will be left over.
This all makes perfect sense in light of the extensive evidence we have for blockstream and core in general being heavily manipulated by glowniggers desu. I'm leaning towards it wasn't even a stupid mistake; they actually intended for the network to end up in this equilibrium. Probably to torpedo it so psychopaths like Popescu never get their goals fulfilled.

>>12014294
it can't really scale on chain though
even with the new upgrade their transactions data size are still larger than bitcoin's transactions data size

>>12014327
Imagine being this fucking stupid. Even the most incompetent copy paste fraudulent asshats in the space can scale 10x core on chain, and do you know what 10x core on chain implies in terms of price?
Just... Fucking neck yourself you stupid cunt. You have no fucking idea what's going on and have no understanding of the technical issues you pretend are insurmountable.

>>12014327
The guy is this vid is pretty smart and seems to think it can. >>12013969
It won't be 1mb blocks but it should be manageable, especially as hardware improves. No doubt second layers will happen and be widely used but you will be able to get a fuckload of scaling on chain. People will survive without micro transactions if it comes down to it.

>>12014316
Ok, so BTC price tanks a further 50%, mote hashpower switching off, next halving occurs, 12.5btc/block, 2k a pop, 25k from selling block reward plus some shit amount of fees since LN takes a bit of throughput too. Bchsv full 128mb blocks, 12.5 bsv + shitloads of fees. Lots of users on platform that can scale with a provably fair, onchain casino without centralized deposits, merchant adoption, perhaps price could be higher 2x higher than it is now in sats, "oh noes sv has a little bit of hashpower but is more profitable to mine than btc, lets switch, bitcoin goes further into chain death spiral as more hashpower leaves.

It can't all go at oncw because the difficulty will spike on sv but the ones that are paying attention are profiting on both coins when possible but the trend is not in BTCs favour.

>>12013406
Haha why do you cashies have to be so salty? Dont you have your altcoin that is worth 3,5% of a bitcoin , and than that other one that is worth 2,3%...
Why dont just go play with them and stop annoying everyone else?

>>12014574
> altcoin
I'd say "imagine being this fucking stupid" but you're a coretard.. of course you're this fucking stupid.

>>12014620
Yup altcoin

>>12014757

>>12008403
>>12008943
>thread about bitmains financial problems
>muh satoshi vision shills show up defending them.
Really makes me think.

>>12008403
so why sould i believe this faggot? where is the evidence?

Hi Roger, Craig, Jihan and Calvin! I like these anonymous discussions

>>12013742
Any redpills on SV?
Apparently, boomer manlet and aussie schizoid are the posterboys.
Who is behind the scenes?

>>12015001
evidence is pretty clear isnt it? insider info from their hidden toilet spycams. just believe it ok

>>12014026
anon...

>>12010108