/biz/ - Business & Finance

first for bull run canceled, everyone got bogged.

>>11986479
YOU GOT THIS SCOOPS!!!!!!!

This thread belongs to the Bull Gang

BABA to the moon!

Bull run for first 5 minutes and then immediate stock market crash after.

>>11986493
>>11986550

Crypto holders jealous of our success.

I live under a rock. What the fuck is happening to the markets? This is fucking crazy.

>>11986566
Nice dubs. I always wondered what happened to LMFAO.

>>11986566
Trump/Xi struck a temporary halt on tariffs for 90 days while they work a deal.

>>11986566
They call it the golden bull run

I have $100k sitting in a savings account but it seems like a terrible time to invest in anything right now. Is this just irrational fear?

>>11986479
>put the last of my money in MSFT $112 calls

>>11986598
Yes, you should wait to go back into the market until the next recession. But I have no idea when that will be.

>>11986479

WHO HYPED FOR THE RIP YOUR FACE OFF DOW RALLY UP 500 POINTS MONDAY!!!!

>>11986603
>>11986598
Maybe try some t-bonds or other fixed income options if you'd like some slightly higher returns anon. Besides that, just wait until things come crashing down.

>>11986598
You could buy some I-bonds but you can only get 10K a year. But if you get some now and then some jan 1 you can get 20k.

>>11986603
Are you being sarcastic? plsbepatientetc but yeah, there's no way of telling when there'll be another recession. Past dates are not really indicative of future events; everyone says "we are due for a recession" or whatever but that's not really true is it?

I lose a lot when something is just sitting in my savings account. But I'm too pussy to consider even ETFs. I wanted to do the reddit meme tier JUST PUT IT IN VANGUARD BRO but now I'm even scared to do that.

AMRN - more good news for our hero. The latest predictions all seem to be angling for a 194 % gain still to come for the stock. (Current price is holding at $18 per). At this rate (the drug ain't even selling en mass yet) we'll have to celebrate by creating "Praise AMRN" T-Shirts or something. Profit is coming oh yes indeed.

>>11986598
you're just wasting money letting it sit there

invest it but actively manage it. get out when we are really in a recession.

or just buy cuck bonds

>>11986598
invest 50% of it and hold the rest cash to buy the bottom when/if the recession does hit. you don't have to go all in bro.

>>11986598
>savings account
No never. At least go bonds or gics or inflation is eroding your wealth anon. Also its no major risk to you to have a small percentage in equities to get your feet wet.

>>11986639
I currently use Vanguard and its a great place to be for long term investments.

If you have not started a Roth IRA do that and contribute your 5500 for this and then Jan 1 put in another 5500. That should go into a target date retirement fund.

Then buy the 20K of Ibonds which I mentioned.

That leaves you with 69K.

For that I would maybe put into CD's or something? Thats tough.

So let me get this straight, if I buy an Amazon call or put for $5,000 and the price of Amazon goes up/down 100 dollars, will I have made $10,000?

Guys I am in a Consumer Discretionary ETF currently. At the peak of this Bull Run should I sell that and switch to Consumer Staple ETF in order to position myself for a recession?

>>11986675
If you buy/write the contract, you are out the money for the strike price reglardess of where it moves.

>>11986675
1 contract = $1 profit per cent above the break even price. if you have 10 contracts and it goes up 100 dollars, you make $100,000

>>11986675
For the love of God don't make any puts until you know how this shit works. The SEC will rape you if you fuck up.

>>11986688
>>11986684
Ok, I've been trading contracts for a few months but I ask for Amazon specifically because it's more expensive than anything I've ever traded so I assume it was too good to be true, like maybe if it goes up $100 you would only make, say 75% of 10,000 or something.

>>11986703
any learning resources for options trading? that is what yall are talking about right?

>>11986716
Investopedia has a lot of info

>>11986715
If it's too good to be true, then it is.
I will tell you I am drunk as hell, but I know that writing contracts for options means you are obligated to either buy or sell at that price.
I don't recall if you said you were writing puts or calls, but that obligation alone means I would do my due diligence and make sure I knew what was up.

>>11986737
I would sell the contract before it expired, of course. And I don't plan on doing it anytime soon because I'm just a poor college kid.

>>11986740
Are you certain you'd have a buyer?

>>11986752
Hypothetically, I would do it on Robinhood, which would warn me if there were no buyers. And if there were no buyers, the price would be substantially lower than the other options.

>>11986639
Just go long until it's clear that the market is wack. At most you'll lose 10% before realizing the market is headed for -50%, at which point you can just buyback in easily. Or, maybe it's a false start and the market recovers. Then you still buyback in and make up for the -10% and then some.

tl;dr: stop being a fucking pussy and go long until you feel the pressure, then assess. Every minute you spend without a position is money lost.

>>11986761
Anon, please tell me you understand what a bid ask spread is...

>>11986761
Heh. Imagine if they had stuff like that in 1929.

Why do people think this bull run will last longer than a day?

>>11986761
You should not be trading options

RECORD DAY TOMORROW

>>11986761

Oh fug. Anon pls. Just trade normal shares. This... this will not end well.

Leaf here so would appreciate input from other leafs. I'm thinking of moving retirement funds from Mutual to Index funds. Thoughts on this?

>>11986813
whats the opposite of FUD?

>>11986891
shilling

>>11986813

There are TA reasons for another run up to ATH or a bounce off the resistance of the previous ATH. Both the Dow and S&P broke above their descending trends last week. That was extremely bullish already and it happened before the G20 stuff came back neutral/positive.

>>11986639
reposting from the last thread

Leverage has already surpassed 2008 levels, defaults are rising, emerging markets are slowing, the housing market is struggling, FAANGs are all in hotwater with or without trade war, profit rates have been stagnant for several years now, and retained earnings for durable good manufacturing have stagnated too.

Stagnant profits has been the underlying fault line of all the most serious crises including the great depression, 70s stagflation, 2008 crisis.

Retained earnings for durable good manufacturing have also stagnated or fallen ahead of the last three recessions (which is all we have data for). It's not hard to imagine why. What are the biggest durable good markets? Housing, cars, heavy industrial machinery. All products that often require leverage, meaning problems in these sectors are extremely capable of spreading contagion to the rest of the economy.

Things don't look pretty from where I'm sitting.

>>11986639
>>11986670
Besides I bonds you can buy TIPS which will keep pace with inflation.

Also, what's the interest rate on your account?

>>11986947
>the housing market is struggling
lol get the fuck outta here. the housing market is "struggling" meaning that people aren't making %100 profit off their houses they bought back in 2008. faggots are holding out for cash money buyers who pay %30 above asking like it was last summer.

>>11986920

Pardon, only the S&P broke above trend. The Dow hasn't yet.

S&P500 going to 2950

>>11986972
I was referring to housing starts, which are being squeezed by higher mortgage rates and labor shortages.

>>11987026
higher mortgage rates don't mean much right now because homebuyers are carrying cash.

>>11986947
>Leverage has already surpassed 2008 levels
Doesn't matter unless yields and liquidity are struggling (they're not current)

>defaults are rising
Show me that metric.

>emerging markets are slowing
Yes, as they have for several years now, which has given time for investors to begin winding down their exposure in EM

>the housing market is struggling
It's slowing down -- I wouldn't say struggling. Real estate prices always fluctuate. Demand is falling due to high prices -- it'll correct.

>FAANGs are all in hotwater with or without trade war
You're just speculating. People have said FAANGs are in deep shit since they recovered from their first crash.

>profit rates have been stagnant for several years now, and retained earnings for durable good manufacturing have stagnated too.
I agree, and that will cause the next recession to hurt, but it will not be the cause of a recession.

(1/2)

>>11986947
>>11987042
>Stagnant profits has been the underlying fault line of all the most serious crises including the great depression, 70s stagflation, 2008 crisis.
Confusing cause with correlation. Stagnant profits have never caused a recession. However, they have resulted in a recession hurting much more than it could/should.

>Retained earnings for durable good manufacturing have also stagnated or fallen ahead of the last three recessions (which is all we have data for). It's not hard to imagine why. What are the biggest durable good markets? Housing, cars, heavy industrial machinery. All products that often require leverage, meaning problems in these sectors are extremely capable of spreading contagion to the rest of the economy.
Agreed. See my earlier point. These companies are all overleveraged. Once the economy turns red, they will get hurt the most. But again, you're confusing cause with effect. You see the terrible performance of manufacturing in 2008 and you think that's because they did something to cause it. PCE is still going strong.

All in all, you and most of /biz/ keep ignoring the actual factors that determine recessions. Inflation, spreads, yields, liquidity, etc. I get it: shit looks fucked. But nothing of what you mentioned will CAUSE a recession.

>>11986970
The interest rate is negligible its like 0.5% or something. I will probably keep 48k on hand for emergencies (put it in a high yield savings account, I think the highest I could find was like 2.5% at another bank) and research how to invest the rest.

>>11986947
Why is there still so much confidence in the market then? I hope you are right and we return to 'sanity'

>>11986881
Yes i recently did this with some of my holdings, td e-series are decent value at .32 -.5 mer and you can track tsx, s&p,ftse canadian universe bond, nasdaq, djia, msci eafe and msci europe. This will provide you with enough diversty to be as agressive or safe as you need to be.
They are no load and are no fees for trading them as long ast is no within 30 days from purchase.
Sure as hell beats their other 2%+ mer "comfort portfolio". Its rare for any of the mutual funds to outperform the indices anyway and why give them your money?

>>11986833
based green wojak poster

>>11987051
>>11987042


In your opinion when do you see the next recession beginning?

Also, I was not financially aware when the 2008 crisis happened. Was it so sudden that you could not exit the market? Do you think I will have time to reasonably exit?

>>11987104
dude, go look at the S&P. it took like a year for the market to bottom out. you will have plenty of time to bail. me? i'd rather just lay down some puts and buy more.

>>11987104

>In your opinion when do you see the next recession beginning?
Not when. If a certain array of signals light up, it will kick start an incredible recession and possibly a depression. But until that happens, I'm extremely bullish.

>Was it so sudden that you could not exit the market?
No. If you were keen enough, it would've been obvious that something was going to happen in August 2007.

>Do you think I will have time to reasonably exit?
Only if you're looking at the right economic signals. Otherwise you're just trying to haplessly predict market movement. Don't pay much mind to company financials though. The market will value them high if the economy is good and low if the economy is bad. The market is retarded. Take advantage of its retardation.

>>11987089
Thats actually really low MER so I'll take a look into TD. I'm very new to financial investing so sorry if this a dumb question, but would it be bad if I'm not actively trading? I only plan to allocate a portion of money for investing monthly rather than actively trading from the index funds. I assume that means I'm probably more on the safe side?

>>11987132
imo, if you aren't actively trading just put it in your 401k.

>>11987156
Leaf here so we have something called an RRSP. Mine is currently in mutual funds with high management fees so I'm looking to see if I can place them in some form of index funds for long term growth instead.

>>11987132
Absolutely no problem, you will need to convert to an e-series to buy the funds which just means sending in a form. Judt take a look at a mutual fund you really like in the prospectus, how it's assets are allocated (eg 30%canadian equities/30%US 30%bonds 10% international) or whatever
Then use the 7 indices to mimic your prefered fund. Its you only have to worry about adding to them in the ratio you like which you can set up.
Easy one would be 40% bonds 30% tsx 30%s&p for simplicity and safety.

>>11987118

And what economic signals are those?

>>11987190
if leaf taxes work anything like burger taxes, you are still better off with the RRSP if you don't want to actively manage your portfolio. I still contribute to a 401k myself, i consider my stock account "mad money".

>>11987224
They do its tax defferement so exact same shit.

>>11987258
Our tfsa is the same as your ira except we roll over our cap space so its much better.

>he fell for the crash meme

>>11987354

Shit, I think the euphoria is wearing off. Futures stuck at 2800.

>>11987354

>>11987042
>Doesn't matter unless yields and liquidity are struggling (they're not current)
We are already seeing liquidity problems in emerging economies, and the fact that some of the latest market downturns had no clear trigger also points to liquidity issues.

>Show me that metric.
Experion Indexes show auto and mortgage defaults increasing this quarter. Not crisis levels, yet, but a strong shock somewhere in the economy could easily put things over the edge when we're this over leveraged. https://us.spindices.com/additional-reports/all-returns/index.dot?parentIdentifier=d7cded81-5f32-4509-b55f-bd3d2378d6b0&sourceIdentifier=index-family-specialization&additionalFilterCondition=

>Yes, as they have for several years now, which has given time for investors to begin winding down their exposure in EM
This isn't just a stock market issue. Demand is falling in emerging markets and China is developing similar issues. A lot of american companies rely on these buyers.

>You're just speculating.
Retained earnings are falling hard for Apple, Netflix and Amazon are both going to face big new competition from Disney's streaming service. Amazon is also facing lots of deep labor issues world wide. Both amazon and apple face large trade war risks. Google and facebook are probably going to be ok, I guess, but european regulatory action poses some problems so idk.

>Confusing cause with correlation.
There's a reason I didn't say the word trigger. Rather, the profits made these crisis as bad as they were and thus defined them in a way.

>>11987056
Yeah I was about to say you should be getting at least 2% on that. I get that much from ally bank, and it's very convent especially cuz of their online platform.

As for why there's so much confidence, well, it's been a long time since the last crash. No one wants to believe all the good times are over.

So if anyone actually wants to make money on the bull run tomorrow, make sure to sell by midday at least.

Quick question for Boomer investors:

Is long TLT a good way to invest in us treasury?

>>11987056
There's confidence in the market because the USA is currently an exit scam.

>>11987476
>>11987051
i do think inflation is very important here, and the tight labor market and the trade war costs will be a big factor in what happens.

>>11987118
I'd be careful relying on the yield curve too much. Ppl like to say its erring on the side of being too flat, but other regulatory changes might be pushing it the other way, actually.

>>11987476
God I hate that stuttering autistic communist fuck.

>>11987452

Futures can only go so far as an indicator of positive sentiment shift. There has to be more volume for buy signals to ring out across the markets and proper pump get commence.

>>11987587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTzANl_BYg0

>>11987476
My bad then. I see now we pretty much agree that the market is fucked once a recession does happen. I just don't think anyone can say it's going to happen any time soon.

>>11987094

Christ tomorrow is going to be entertaining, I wish I didnt have to go to work but I need to beef up that Christmas cheque. Asia is lighting up.

All these niggas getting liquidated tomorrow

cant wait for the official run to Daq "its over 9k"

>tfw stock market has become more interesting than crypto market

I don't know if I like this.

For all the doom and gloom, fear mongering, retarded MSM speculation, and blatant lies about trade “wars” the market is 100 s&p point for new all time highs

Makes you think?

>>11987691
They said Bitcoin could only go up, too. I hope you've got your finger on the trigger for when everything falls tomorrow after your "golden bull run."

>>11987709
There’s a difference between the biggest economy in he world growing at 4% with 20% yoy earnings growth and fucking scamcoins

>>11987726
Yeah, one's an exit scam run by politicians and corporate types and the other's an exit scam run by autistic NEETs.

DOUBLING MY FUCKING STACK IN 3 WEEKS.

Don't yolo gamble they said, don't buy rando options they said. yeah...

>>11987734
The day they start paying the army in bitcoin let me know

>>11987740
Youll blow up kid

>>11987740
Three weeks is a long time in that game.

>>11987452
The intraday high will break it, but I don't think they'll close above 2800

>>11987740
>t. fragilista
you're gonna blow up kid. enjoy it while it lasts.

>>11987744
I'll call you up when the market and government crash all at once and suddenly all those elite people you'd normally hold responsible are living in China.

>>11987740
Now you need to stop when you are ahead...

>>11987026
>(((labor shortages)))
Communist kikes were doing everything they could to cut industrial arts back in the early Nineties while doing nothing to upgrade technology or teach niggers to behave on a job site or mailroom.
>oy vey the labor shortages we need more spics and poos! Throw in some sandniggers too!

>>11987623
So fucking glad I have 23k in BABA

Fuck it I guess I'll set my alarm to 6:30 tomorrow and bother to see how poorly it all goes. I need to get those shares out of TQQQ anyways.

>>11986641
PRAISE ARMN PRAISE IT

>>11987740
You only need to double $100 17 times to become a millionaire. Just repeat what you did a couple times.

>>11987801
China is a fucking shithole and 99% of their millionaires would leave it if possible

wonder if I should go all in on TQQQ and SPXL at open or if this shit’s gonna fade

>>11987953
If you werent brave enough to buy the dip you dont get to buy leverage on the rally
You get the scraps. Normal QQQ and SPY for you

>>11987973
I just don't like waking up early to sell, on a fucking 3 hour bull run.

>>11987980
>3 week
ftfy, the gains train is going till christmas

>>11987980
I dont want small spcs crowding my long regardless
You can buy the 1% retrenchment, or the 2% before we really go Nasdaq 10k, whatever dood

>>11987892
You only need to earn 25% on $1000, 31 times to reach $1M. Which is easier?

>>11987892
>>11987813

i'm not trying to be a millionaire. i got $600 in static bills every month that i want paid for by dividends. if i can lucker dog my way into 100k i'm done.

>>11987740

>>11988086
>paying expenses with divs
The dream. God, I'm so fucking close myself...

>futures

>>11986675
>>11986715
>>11986740
>>11986761
Fucking stop it you're gonna lose so much

>>11987671
>tfw stock market has become more interesting than crypto market

>I don't know if I like this.

It's all the same shit.

>>11988209
i have $10 ford calls. lmao?

>>11988209

>>11988209
Didn't this retard say "trade wars are easy to win"?

>>11988201
He'll learn not to trade options the way I learned not to trade options

>>11987617
Yes. YES.

BASED AND REDPILLED TRUMP

>that leftie cuck faggot at top of mentions saying how this is "nothing" and that Trump was an asshole starting a trade fight

god can we just genocide everyone leftist already?

>>11988166
This is a Mona Lisa tier Bull run, Im literally shaking

>>11988265
If I somehow end up making like 70 grand (2 bucks over 23.60) I would be so happy.

>>11988265
One of the only good options trades I ever made was an AMD put that fucked the guy I sold it to one hour after I sold it. They're too damn volatile.

>>11988277
I'm pretty sure Marx complained about the fact that industries would eventually offshore everything. Makes no sense to be a communist and complain about trade wars.

>>11988296
>marx
kys for mentioning that shithead

Holy shit when did Robinhood add Spread trading? I went into my settings and that shit came up.

>>11988296
Protectionist policies are unironically marxist/leftist

>>11988314
Even if retards whose identity is reliant on political affiliation, like this guy, reject the claim.

Wut. Is this a big deal or nothing? How many people without hearing watch shit online?

>>11988289
If you pull this off I'll be so happy for you!!
Fucking hands of steel

>people blowing all this money on options and just stocks in general
I mean, I can barely be assed to put more than $300 on a buy but hey, at least someone's having fun.

>>11988256
US can easily win any trade war because the current trade dynamics are so asymmetric with all of our “partners”

China’s GDP has fucking collapsed and they are 2 years away from a regime change unless they start really negotiating

I’m guessing it’s 10 to 1 in terms of pain felt

>>11988401
cute

>>11988446
>China’s GDP has fucking collapsed and they are 2 years away from a regime change unless they start really negotiating

There is no fucking way unless Xi has a heart attack or something.

>>11988401
wtf why dont they just use captions

>>11988484
uhhh, this is more anime. Maybe for the elderly who are also somewhat visually impaired? It is neat but thats why I don't know how big a deal it is imo.

>>11988484

I'm curious if it's half ass accurate. Youtube auto captions certainly aren't.

I've got a $24 Put on SPSX that expires the 21st. What would you do with it /smg/?

>>11988401
>>11988484
>>11988507

I see sign language in a lot of foreign media. I think its because captioning is labor intensive, or hard in Asian script, whereas an interpreter can do it on the fly.

>>11988460
There’s rumblings and they have a couple of trillion dollar shadow banking system. They literally have to make a deal

Don’t believe that 100 yr plan bullshit, they don’t want to see it all disappear, and it easily could

>>11988660
Cash out and run you are still green my man.

>>11988287
I'm gonna jizz my pants when (not if) SPY gets to 290 this week. OOOOOOH.

> Qatar will withdraw from OPEC effective from January 1

What's their fucking issue

>>11986649
>get out when we are really in a recession.
so you're telling him/her to sell low. okay

If you buy any stocks in current year other than those already majorly price justed by irrational market sentiment even though they have great earnings and great growth projection EVEN if there is a major recession coming, you're not going to have a good time.

Well I bought $500 of SPXL and TQQQ. Willing to lose all my money.

>>11989155
Don't wanna cut

>>11989155
Saudi arabia wanted to conquer them

>>11988296
>I'm pretty sure Marx complained about the fact that industries would eventually offshore everything
He did in The Capital if I'm not mistaken.

>>11986479
>2scoops starts at Amazon tomorrow. GIVE HIM YOUR ENERGY!!!!!!!!!! edition
I love you guys

>>11986495
<3

>>11988446
>China’s GDP has fucking collapsed
But it hasn't

>>11988460
Earlier in the year, there were reports about how Xi was becoming the new Chairman Mao by deleting the term limit clause in their constition.

I think that far from being a sign of strength and stability, it is a sign of weakness meaning the regime is on shaky foundation and need to entrust total powers to a single person to maintain itself

USDCNY just dropped like a rock.
Praise the Sun

>>11989450
good luck

>>11989450
What are you gonna do ?
Will you take a pic of your wagecage ?
>tfw took a day off to do boomer stuff in my condo
comfy as shit

>>11989468
China has been fucking up hard.

>>11989450
you may be the only one here genuinely making it
good luck 1.999scoooops

>lets kidnap a hot celeb

The regime stopped thinking with their brains. Xi is a fuckup.

>>11989490
China has been hit, but they still have a huge economic growth. Sure, it's 1-digit and not 2-digits anymore, but they are far from a recession (like Germany probably is).

>>11988460
It all depends on their economy. Their economy has been booming for thirty years. The changes in education and culture over that time among the general population have been huge so the regime doesn't know what'll happen when the economy slumps. Maybe people will just put up with it like they did in the past, but they might start getting out of hand. Already you see protests all over the country about working conditions. If unrest among the middle class is triggered by lagging economy growth or if the housing bubble bursts (450k USD 2 bedroom flats in 2nd-tier cities), then who knows.

>>11989501
I meant the government moves. They have been doing really dumb shit lately. It's going in the wrong direction.

>>11989490
>>11989498
The ChinkCom is afraid
But I won't see them failing since they seem to be very pragmatic
I see short-term issues

>>11989514
>But I won't see them failing since they seem to be very pragmatic
Who knows

Lifetime appointment is a really bad sign. It's impossible to know what's going on though.

Will I ever get a chance to buy Alphabet and Amazon at reasonable prices? Stock splits maybe?

>>11989521
I think when life-time appointment is no longer necessary, they will just change it just as promptly as they implemented it.

I don't see regime change in China anytime soon. And also the shit they have been doing in Xinjiang is just a big rehearsal in case SHTF in other provinces.

>>11989533
These stocks are fairly valued m8

>what is market cap and number of shares outstanding

>>11989483
>What are you gonna do ?
Write software
>Will you take a pic of your wagecage ?
Like, my desk? I guess I could do that
>tfw took a day off to do boomer stuff in my condo
>comfy as shit
Sounds comfy af
Should have enough saved up within a couple years to do comfy boomer shit

>>11989546
>he won't work in a cage
>he will not enjoy the full Amazon experience
I hope it goes well for you. gf and I saved for 2 years and got a loan at 1.16% for my flat. We lived in a 1br apartment back then, now 3br.

>>11988446
>big dick USA has all the money and allies
>somehow people think China has any power

its really kek

>>11989601
Really stupid to underestimate china

>>11989601
also really stupid to think Europe isn't a fucking disaster in terms of power / cohesion /.ability to do anything

It's ON

>>11989616
It's funny because the only thing the EU is actually good is on trade. When Trump started the whole trade war thing it got stopped dead and brought to the negotiation table within days.

>>11989587
>he won't work in a cage
>he will not enjoy the full Amazon experience
I know ;_;
I will be making cash at a significantly faster rate than them tho

>I hope it goes well for you. gf and I saved for 2 years and got a loan at 1.16% for my flat. We lived in a 1br apartment back then, now 3br.
Well, it'd make sense to like in a 1br if it's just you and your gf.
I'm splitting a 2br with a roommate. The rent is almost as cheap as what I was paying in Richmond.

>>11987623
If you lived on the west coast, you'd watch market open at 6:30am and power hour from noon to 1:00 during lunch :)

>>11989639
>Well, it'd make sense to like in a 1br if it's just you and your gf.
Yeah but 40sqm was to smol for us both.
Now we have 100sqm, we turned a bedroom in an office and we have the second bedroom spare just in case. Also the loan payment is kinda cheap, friends of mine are paying more in rent for a smaller surface.

>Shell
>Daimler

Absolutely based KING Trump giving us the day off on wedenessday because he knew the extreme bullrun would cause big volatility. Now boomers can rest assure volatility will be low Tuesday and by extension the bull run longer

Ill be posting my Fabrege Egg that arrived in the mail from TQQQ gains tomorrow, thank you and have a nice rest

>STMicro
>Soitec
>Valeo

>>11987552
A typical boomer wants to hold bonds until maturity (I assume that is what you want)
TLT carries the interest rate risk. It is designed more towards speculation on treasury yields imo

If you can, buy the bonds outright, hodl and enjoy the coupons

Do you want gains like these? You should try raising your IQ you fucking brainlets.

up 10% already haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi313ZjiQLo

LCI is so undervalued!!! Do some research people!! we're going back to mid teens!!!

>>11990065
If I have 160K+ by next week I promise to buy at least 10k LCI

>>11990065
Listen to Nice5Guy

>>11990082
>>11990073
that shit is way over played.. classic manipulation. LCI is in good shape and way undervalued!! shorts are going to bring it back to double digits for us then mid teens from there..

Guy Gentile even says that it's one of his biggest trades of the year. He did his research, I did my research. Shorts are in the wrong here and LCI is extremely undervalued!! like really really undervalued. I wish everyone the best of luck. I wan't everyone itt to make money.

LCI to da moon!!

>>11990146
when will you sell? newfag here

>>11990065
penny scam REEEEEEE

>>11990262
Its not even close to a penny stock. You guys give him a lot of shit about LCI, I openly endorse this pick. Its up 7% pre market.

>>11990146
Did you end up getting any BZUN last week?

Green all over. This is the moment we've been waiting for.

>>11990366

>>11990366
Emperor Trump literally saved singlehandedly the global stock markets
How can one man be so based ?

>>11990366
a green tsunami

Arguing with idiots on stockwits on what a convertible bond is, is making my head hurt. Why can't you bastards be active at night.

bull trap
classic

>>11990446
>T. Crypto bagholder

>>11990454
i would not touch any meme technology that gets shilled online
in fact my most succesfull trades are shorting tech - apple, fb and micron

>>11986479
AMZN was too rich for me after I got my calls in. Have about $1,500 spread out.
At least one SPY that ends today is already past it's break even point by a $1

>>11990446
Nice. And yes, there will be contraction when this run is over but I don' t expect a crash so would hardly call this a trap.

Woke up this morning and my RDSB shares have shot up?

Anyone know why?

>>11988209
>>11988222
I just had $10 Ford calls expire on the 30th

>>11990472
To this day I still don't understand why would anyone bet on Micron

>>11990504
I'm sorry anon

>>11990498
Tariffs have been put on hold meaning production becomes more lucritive creating a greater demand for fuel. Almost all sectors will be green except maybe the hedge sectors, precious metals and bonds, etc.

>>11990530
Oh nice. It's the only shares I have (inherited) and my app bleeped this morning to tell me they were up.

Heh.

>>11990536
Congrats but you really should think of diversifying, you are in a high risk sector.

>>11990530
>green
Well except for the Tech sector

>>11990550
I'm +7% on STM and Soitec, +1% on Altran. Tech is BULLISH right now

>>11990550
Tech is soaring premarket not sure what you mean.

>>11990300

Didn't this shit dump like 60% in one day some time ago?

>>11990544
Yeh. I do plan on doing so in the new year. I inherited these ages ago and haven't done anything with them. Currently focusing on getting an emergency fund set up.

My baba is up 4 % pre market

AMR looks way oversold. Down to $1.54 from $10 when they were listed on NASDAQ in January. I think it will go up to $3-5 if oil recovers.

>>11990773
My IQ is at 8%

I expect a fade this morning. The PM pump is too much.

>>11990831
To be fair y'all did absolutely get shit on though over the past year.

>>11990855

>>11990831
WB at 6% weeee

Don't be a dumbass. If you're going to trade today at least wait an hour after the open to get a feel for the market.

Don't just jump in like a retard or you could get stuck holding some serious bags.

>>11990897
People have been waiting for good news about anything for weeks now. The market is going to explode right out the gates followed by steady upward growth.

>>11990908
S&P is hitting resistance @ 2800. The sentiment is still very bullish, but I seriously can't bring myself to buy after a 500 point gap up. Especially when it happened during futures.

Europe is fading.

tell me what to invest in today when the market opens, /smg/

>>11990931
and gold futures are positive
([{someone}]) has something in mind

>>11990944
AMRS

>>11990908
>People have been waiting for good news about anything for weeks now.
they're waiting for bad news too: Macron resigning, hard Brexit, Italy's default, Merkel's party destroyed, etc. not to mention Nasdaq still 30% overvalued, some European country posting a negative GDP growth in the 3d trimester, Mexico electing the first leftist president in over 70 years, etc.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mexico-lopez-obrador-president-trump-pena-nieto-transform-a8662796.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EMXX?p=%5EMXX

>>11991050
>some European country posting a negative GDP growth in the 3d trimester
It was Germany.

>China agrees to cut US auto tariffs
>Qutar is leaving OPEC

Sounds like today is going to be fun

>>11991050
I doubt Macron will resign, he will probably announce some tax cuts soon.

>>11991071
Market hasnt been reacting to his tweets which seems a bit off.

Pls green ID

>>11991103
Bro, everything is up like a minimum of 4% and its pre market. Let it work itself up.

>>11991105
Fuuuuuuuuck

>>11991091
>soon
like.. tomorrow, right?
yellow vests are planning to hit again next weekend

>>11991128
>like.. tomorrow, right?
Yes, and thursday
>yellow vests are planning to hit again next weekend
It doesn't matter except if you are parisian, and if you are parisian then you probably deserve to get your shit burned down.

Is it finally time to get into LCI?

>>11991091

Macron has the crazy look in his eyes.

>>11991050
Italy won't default, the government is negotiating right now with the eu commission and is going to reduce the expansive maneuvre. The sistemic banks are in good shape and have passed the ECB stress test. If there is a danger in Europe, it's Deutsche Bank

>>11991183
>If there is a danger in Europe, it's Deutsche Bank
This. The new Italian government has been pretty responsible and reliable so far, it's actually surprising.

>>11991168
Yes, he's stark raving mad. He got dealt an absolutely shitty hand tho.

>>11991212

Not to mention his wife looks like a skinwalker. Can't understand what goes through his head.

>>11991162
>It doesn't matter except if you are parisian, and if you are parisian then you probably deserve to get your shit burned down.

This. What a bunch of fucktards. Paris is French LA.

>>11991251
Short LMT.

>>11991255
Paris is like LA mixed with San Fransisco, New York and Timbuktu, but you only keep the bad parts of each.

>>11991251
This is just part of a larger strategy to weaken the military capabilities of the Chinese and Russians.

>>11991091
With any luck the protestors will put together some DIY guillotines. The ghost of 1968 will have its revenge yet

>>11991322
Trump might honestly be the smartest president in the history of the US. He's 100% right as usual. America does spend too much on military. But it needs to spend that much to keep dominance over others. If you can trick others to spend less, then you can also spend less as well. You retain military dominance and save big $$$. Huge win. Trump is honestly a master strategist. He crafts the world with tweets which is amazing when you think about it.

>>11991251
MFW my asset weakens our enemies military capabilities. Best use of pissing hookers ever.

Green day?

>>11991390
>people unironically believe in kompromat now despite it being used to influence the democratic party since the 1960s

And we say orange man compromised!!

>>11991384
That he is "right about everything" is only possible because he simultaneously holds every conceviable position on every single issue.

Good morning, anons. QLD up 3.50, QQQ up 3.50.

Orange man good?

>>11991411
bull trap before everyone gets just'd.

>15 min

>>11991411
Checked. Looks like it buddy

Do I short ot long the Dow. I tend towards going long for a quick 20-30 pips gain

>>11991503

>>11991503
Uhh didn't you hear the news. The trade war is over, (USA won bigly).

>>11991384
I don't understand your need for military supremacy, why do you feel that it's necessary to be a literal imperial power spreading its influence

>>11991533
Pepper your tendies !

>>11991503
Sure Anon you do that

>>11991503
>If I would have bought when I made this post I would be already 25 pips in the plus
WHY DO I NEVER PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>11987597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4

>>11991553
To keep international trade lines safe from piracy.

>>11991167
What site is that?

Today is going to be one of the greenest days in fucking history man!

>>11991578
What does that even mean

HERE WE GO BOYS

>>11991553
Great question, it was once used to fight against the soviets but as you can see there are no more soviets......whole world system needs an update.

>>11988296
He did complain about that, but he also said it was a necessary condition for the full development of a capitalist economy, upon which communism is built. Protectionism generally has a degenerating effect on industries in capitalism.

While Marx and Engels believed both free trade and protectionism were plausible paths to communism, free trade was the more accelerationist option.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/

>>11991599
I don't think it will surpass the day after mid terms.

>>11991599

>KO

Ha! still up 10 bucks on open.

>and the bear market resumes.

weak ass rally bulls.

Weak start tbqh. This was supposed to be the bulls "big win". Honestly there is nothing else good that the bulls have to look forward to. SPY barely at 280 is pathetic. Just goes to show you that we are in the late stage of the cycle and the bear market is inevitable. Even amazing good news barely moves the market up. We are still ~5% off ATH. I expect -20% equities drop in 2019.

>>11991719
>>11991711
It's been 10 minutes, you desperate faggots

>>11991719
>>11991711

>>11991679
also just noticed I got 6 bucks in dividends I wasn't expecting. Today's gonna be alright.

>he didn't hold through the dips
>he didn't accumulate during the dips
You ARE going to learn from your mistakes, right?

How profitable can call and put options be? Interested in integrating a little bit of them in my investments.

>F

Finally turning green for me.

>QLD
>QQQ

Gonna be a good day.

SPY is already tanking. What a pathetic rally. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up red for the day.

So if i buy 18k worth of O ill be able to buy another O every month off of DRIP

I will turn 3k into 1 million before the year ends.

>bulls on suicqide watch

muh gains

Shout out to TQQQ LABU FNGU nation
Moving most profits to my favorite stock GIS
/Bull Life

>>11991861
YIKES. That is exactly what happened today. Honestly I would be very fearful if the market cant even post a big gain on good news. Bear market 1000% confirmed.

ok im bear now, I mad 10% this week on bull plays but i think its over now

>>11991880
>check em
>no dubs
doesn't look good for the bulls

>>11991423
Hard not to believe it when there's a mountain of evidence and indictments. But hey, live in your Kool aid world with your Cheetoh girl.

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

>>11991952
Yes divibro, I have been converted

>>11988402
yo got any more gondolas¿ this one looks good as fuck

>>11991824
yes, you'd get approximately $63 every, month and close to 1 share every month off drip. wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket but their dividend is pretty darn safe

Poor construction data is offsetting the gains. Still bretty gud tho.

Damn, I should have put some money into AMD today, but I wasn't a fan of the current RSI.

Oh well, maybe another time.

Who the fucks in charge of these bots, stop selling just because it said so.

Anons as a 28 yo boomer with 0 stocks is my best bet to just sign up for an account in vanguard and just start DCAing 1k a month into an index fund like VOO for comfy gains?

>>11991719
Construction data was released and was shitty. We would be red if not for the China news. Gonna be a crazy day.

any link between Bitcoin and the real markets? I mean, a drop of BTC could anticipate a drop of other things or is completely unrelated?

(I can't ask this outside of /smg/, for reasons)

>>11992051
people will tell you based Bogel will indicate otherwise (he founded vanguard), but its a solid proven strategy if you don't want to put in a lot of time researching individual stocks.

Also make sure to take advantage of tax-advantage accounts.

>>11992065
well asset classes compete with each other for funds, if bitcoin declines and it's not in concert with a more general decline across markets, then you can expect other risky asset classes to act as a substitute and go up somewhat. I couldn't tell what those substitutes are tho, I intend to stay away from stuff that volatile.

>>11992065
Bitcoin drops when the stock market is down and drops when the stock market is up

making the new...

>>11992051
first thing to do is to max out your ROTH every year, ROTH is all you need to retire wealthy, as far as gains go, you won't get real big gains unless you actually pay attention, but if you don't have time ETF's like vanguard are your best bet

>>11992144
NEW
NEW
>>11992144
>>11992144

>>11988344
protectionist policies are non-Marx leftism, Marx was all about that international socialism

>>11989537
I don't see change in leadership. But China has problems. Big problems. Their private debt bubble makes our 2008 housing bubble look like a Disney Movie. I can't see how China "invests" their way out of this mess.

I think Trump should have gone in for the kill with the trade dispute. Xi would have let Trump fuck his wife on the dinner table at the the G20 if he had. Lighthizer and Navarro are playing for keeps now. Look for more real estate runs in gateway cities like London, LA, Orange County, Sydney as more scared dumb Chinese money comes flooding out.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-companies-dollar-debts-reach-tipping-point_2723023.html