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Buy Netlist.

>>11731177
Where is LCI guy. I want to jump on this are we going to the teens?

Buy chainlink

what the fuck is happening with oil? is it the bad orange man again?

>>11731191
Sounds about right. Get in before the patent settlement stuff gets worked out.

g...pro....

>>11731281
AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

"SHE" bought Fun instead of Link

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A MEME HAHAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

G E N E R A L
E L E C T R I C

>>11731303
Fuck off stinker, this is the thread for adults

>>11731321
Fuck off nigger, im bullying RKG

>>11731159
Ugh, just started buying into index funds at the start of this year and nothing has moved. Very disappointing and shitty.

>muh VTSAX
yea, well, this year, I'm up by a whole 1%.

Linkers out NOW!
We don't bother you in your imaginary play money threads.

>>11731341
She did, and she deserves it. I'll be leaving now.

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

>>11731159

markets been great lately, reversion isnt cucking any good moves.

>>11731303
why did god allow this to happen

>>11731371
What should I be looking for in dividend paying stocks?

>>11731383
money

>>11731375
God doesn't need gopro. He is omnipresent or something.

>>11731303
>>11731303
kys twice

>>11731383
dividend growth, payout ratio, whether or not they cut their dividend, consecutive years of dividend growth, and yield.

It the yield seems too good to be true, it probably is. if you have time, div growth stocks like AAPL, MSFT, ITW, SBUX, CSCO etc are the best bet of increasing your compounding interest over time

>>11731383
P/e is a good start another anon made this very helpful chart
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=C02984E45DA90A97!26514&ithint=file%2cxlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!ACxlXBFiOH7M-34

>>11731414
>>11731424
Thanks anons

We're fucked, huh?

>flog them, chew them, bog them, jew them

>>11731424
This is a good chart, but why even bother with most of these dividends? Anything under about 5% doesn't seem like it's worth the trouble.

>>11731281
>>11731375
why in the everloving fuck didn't you buy chainlink
i love you

>>11731321
>>11731399
i will apologize on my own behalf, but i'm genuinely curious as to why RKG would think that LINK is a meme

>>11731481
dividend growth from a 2% stock can lead to a higher yield on cost than buying a stock with 7% yield that doesn't grow its dividend.

Warren Buffet is getting 62% yield on cost from his KO stock he bought back in the 80s. I'll be 100% by the time he dies.

>>11731240
saudis are trying to break iran by continuing to pump. low oil prices plus swift sanctions means bad things for iran.

>>11731469
>>11731466
Green days ahead boys.

Buy VOO if you're scared.

>>11731507
yield on cost is a retarded metric that dividend boomers use because they think it makes them sound smart. total return on capital is all that matters and growth is better than dividend

I live in Europe and can't buy Vanguard. How's this as a replacement?

iShares S&P 500 ETF (80%)
iShares Treasury Bond 7-10yr (10%)
iShares US Property Yield ETF (10%)

>>11731558
Unless you need to use your stock principle as a piggybank in times of crisis, go with 100% S&P 500. iShares is a decent alternative.

>>11731507
>>11731558
I think I need to study up on how dividends work a bit more then. I'm mostly in real estate and a cash-on-cash yearly return of 2% is laughable. Even 10% is considered meh. So my metric of what constitutes a good investment is mostly based on how much monthly (or quarterly) income it gives.

This market is fake and gay. Go back into golden bull run soon.

>>11731553
>implying i don't also have a growth fund

kids these days don't understand the concept of diversifying your investment strategies. if it isn't a biopharma penny stock, they think you'll never make it

>>11731591
Don't compare an index fund to a well managed real estate investment. They're fundamentally different, in that one requires active judgement, and the other is simply a place to park your cash where it can grow way faster than throwing it in a bank.

>>11731598
>Still no cameltoe
Step up your NSFW game.

>>11731599
>Biopharma Penny
If you aren't 100% committed on delisted weed penny stocks, you're a joke

>>11731598

here we go again

>>11731565
All three ETFs pay dividends so I don't intend to sell my principle.
Don't you think it would be prudent to hedge against a bear market?

wow oil is in freefall

>>11731745
Not really. Buying and holding indexes outperforms almost anything. Good rule of thumb is 80% in indexes, 10% on safeish bets (like TSLA), 10% on Dumb shit to play around with while you're bored.

>>11731646
>Don't compare an index fund to a well managed real estate investment.
I know that there are differences and have different purposes. Index funds are basically for equity growth and have next to no cash flow.

But I'm talking about dividends, they seem to be a huge disappointment to me. The point is to use dividends to live off of, but at 1-2%, even a million bucks will only give you <20k a year. That's below the poverty line. Even index funds at least give a ~4% SWR. Granted, the SWR strategy commits the cardinal sin of spending your principal, but the investor would be aware of that going in.

Any leafs in here use Questrade

>>11731778
Oh yeah, dividends are a meme unless they are paired with something that fundamentally outperforms the Index (like defense companies in the last decade).

>>11731778
2% is pretty low. SPYD gives almost 5% and lots of dividend stocks give 7-10% like NLY and BX and GECC.

>>11731778
>>11731797
DRIP's are tax free

>>11731869
i don't think this is true, DRIP is still cash given then reinvested so its a capital gain and taxed at the percentage of your income (for most people, 15%)

>>11731797
I thought dividends were our friends?

>>11731764
Indexing is a meme, the top 10 companies make up most of all the revenues. Our entire economy is dependent on apple selling chink phones at this point

>>11732006
>>11732023
Indexes are your frens, Jack Bogle is your savior.

>>11731860
It seems like SPYD is an ETF geared toward income, but even then it looks like they're only throwing off 3.25%. It seems that Vanguard also has an income fund, but it's not much better.

Now your other choices seem more viable, but dumping your cash into a small handful of companies is pretty counter to what everyone preaches about diversification. Surely there's a fund that's geared toward providing income for investors, right? You'd think they'd have a fund that just has the higher dividend producers with, say, an 8% minimum return.

I must be missing something.

>t. financial brainlet

Wen to cut losses frens?

>>11732114
Never, unless you're bagholding options or penny stocks that might collapse

>>11731869
Anavar.

STOP SELLING

RIP market. Reverse head and shoulders failed.

>>11732211
I didnt hear no bell

>>11732211
no way

What do you nignogs think will happen with AMRS earnings?

>>11732211
>sideways trading on low volume
Bit premature to call anything yet.

>>11732277
road to 15

>>11732433
Unironically?

>>11732211
2 more days before we can make that conclusion. That chart I showed yesterday was a 6 week chart with 1 day candles.

UP DOWN UP DOWN MORE UP DOWN UP DOWN MORE

BEARS WIN

I FUCKING GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11732433
What the hell happened? Eps lower than expected?

>>11732653
Yeah. I'm kind of sick to my stomach right now and will probably get wasted tonight.

>>11732653
-.63 a share that's fucking terrible

>>11732558
Never let those PUNK ASS BEARS win. EVER!

>>11732653
>>11732681
>>11732709

I’m out of this shitty company. Thank God I didn’t have that much in it. I’m mostly in Micron. Think I should sell now or wait for a dead cat bounce?

>>11732750
Micron is also where my other money is that isn't in AMRS. Wish I'd sold that a few months ago when it peaked

>>11732750
>>11732764
QRHC through earnings for me

>>11731689
She is naked underneath.
t. Professional masturbator

>>11731759
Prepare for trouble
And make it quadruple !

>>11732796
Give me a QRD on QRHC.

>>11732156
I'm 25% down this year..

>>11732862
Where’s the bottom? Am I gonna is pay less for gas at the pump?

AMRS bros what do you make out of this? Obviously the EPS miss was yuge, but the underlying numbers don't look too bad. Most of the revenue miss was from loss of Grants and collaborations which is extremely fucky to begin with. Rev/COGS actually improves slightly.

Anyone on the line? Can someone please grill the fucker on exactly how he's booking revenue from his "deals" and wtf was up with his "guidance"?

>>11732941
So do I buy back in or what? I have a grand of leverage.

>>11732888
Checked !
10 years ago the price/barrel was up 300%
Gas was less at the pump.
Math sounds bad as fuck.

>>11732964
No idiot. No one knows what the fuck is going on. I certainly can't make sense of these numbers.

>>11732941
I have no idea t b h but I'm not inclined to believe that this reflects on their longer term prospects. I'm just trying to stay cool.

>>11732974
>>11732980
Fuck bros I can’t interpret this market either and y’all are smarter at this shit than me. I’m just keeping my money in Micron and Yamana Gold. I also want to get out of NVIDIA but they’re slow to crawl back to where my average was at.

>ctrl+f my two stocks that went up 20% today
>0 results

heh nothing opersonrtasl losers

>>11733042
>Micron and Yamana Gold
Bro no don't do this... At least AMRS has a chance of making it, unironically go all in on NVDA below $200 isn't a bad idea though.

>>11733038
I bought initially for long term prospects, which is why I didn't sell at $9 (yes I'm retarded), I unironically believed it was worth mid-teens. But these revenue numbers look just horrible, and I haven't got any idea how they can miss rev this bad from the guidance last q.

>>11733132
I have pretty low averages on them. What’s the issue?

another day of capitulation
something is brewing
we're due for a recession
i don't think it'll hit until late 2019, maybe early 2020

>>11733132
Yeah I didn't sell at $9 either so you have company in your retardation.

>>11733204
I agree, I can see a lot of sideways wabbling before it finaly gives

guys go all in WEED STOCKS. when the market crashes only a few things will still sell like alcohol/tobacco, pharmaceutical drugs that people always need, WM stock and of course WEED because...

>its cheap
>it provides stress relief for those who are impacted by the financial crisis
>can be used as pain relief/medically
and it will soon be avaialble in Blue Moon beer drinks! BUY WEED STOCKS!!!

>>11733158
>A company that makes relatively low tech product under intense competitive pressure from Chyna and a gold miner that doesn't have any gold mines
Geez anon I wonder.

>>11733217
This q has been absolutely horrid on earnings, every company seems to be revising down outlook. I'm selling all my shit prior to earnings starting from tomorrow.

Too late for AMRS though, luckily I only have a smallish position so I may as well ride this shit to see where it goes.

Let's say I have eight stocks I bought for $7.39 for a total of $59.12. I dont want to lose more than $10.00. I should put a stop loss at $6.14 then?

>>11733354
>do my maths homework for me

>>11733368
If I can't ask questions about stocks here, then what is the point of this general

>>11733403
that's not a stock question it's a maths question.

>>11732066
Or you could do what I did and go 50% VTI, 50% handful of singles I handpicked for dividends or recession padding. Best of both worlds.

Well friends it seems our hero Armin turned out to be a shit in hiding. Lawyers are involved in it now. The stock tanked back to 17 again today. I bailed when it was at 19 so lucky for me I broke even. While I was on the selling train, I sold some more positions, trimmed the excess bloat I didn't need. Ended up with enough profit to achieve the ultimate goal; buying Amazon stock. While it was Cheap (er) at that. Now to round things off next week with buying GE, BHGE, WMT, Microsoft, Fox, and Intel.

Can then just sit back and watch the profit grow and grow over the next 20 - 30 years

>beat earnings
>beat revenue
>beat forecast
>crash
I'm getting kinda tired of this market.

>>11733416
That's what I did, kinda.
VFORX - Mutual fund w/total market diversification
Then a few stocks.

Just finished up the AMRS earning call here, my take on it:

The market has jumped the gun a bit on the vit-E stuff. They revised earnings to reflect what they see on that market which is absolutely the right thing to do. Melo certainly seemed confident the 4th q will be big, and I can sort of see where he's coming from from the commercial sugar shipments, but whether or not it will make up the loss of vit-E revs I remain to be convinced. He also eluded to various opportunities but declined to comment further, but the key take is none of it is baked into the forecast which again is a good thing.

Overall, I think they have a good chance to beat q4 earnings. But I am a little worried that Melo seems to have no clue what his core market is and constantly change them depending on whether or not its doing well.

>>11733403
To lament about missed opportunities and post pink wojaks.

>>11733528
Feels comfy. My other 50% is split between recession proofing like WM and HON, divs like NLY and GECC, and speculation like MJ and AMD.

Is it a good idea to place my grand of leverage from Robinhoodberg Goldstein into SPY instead of not using it? Just wondering if now is a good time to buy a market-tracking ETF.

>>11733649
Three weeks ago was a good time. Now nobody knows because we were supposed to climb today.

why do i see prices for stocks change by small amounts during after hours?

>>11734000
The Jews

NVDA earnings

Will the stock crumble and fall below 150?

>>11734043
My guess is 240 friday

October MS patch came out today that enables RTX technology and BFV is patching this week to enable RTX.

>>11734000

>>11734000
many brokers allow you to trade past market close, dont expect any liquidity from market makers though

>>11733227
Anon, unemployment is at record lows, despite all the turbulence the economy is relatively healthy, maybe a little too hot which is why the feds keep jacking the rates and screwing people's mortgage rates and 401k's.

>>11734000
Stock fairies.

>>11734000
Pippi Longstocking

>>11733416
Ehh, I'd rather stick to real estate for cashflow and index funds to cover the "muh capital growth" meme.

I'm so glad I bagged my Amazon share today. Not only was it cheap (compared to what it has been), but the outlook puts it at $4,598 in 5 years. That's before any splits take place (if any). So I'll have almost tripled my investment. More so by the time any splits are factored into it. Then with my other investments I never gotta worry about shit again.. Thank you Amazon!

>>11734296
Why wouldn't you wait until the economy shits its guts out because we are way over due for a correction?

just bought $2000 worth

how much fucking money am I gonna make once Diablo comes out and the chinks buy it in droves

>>11733416
The average recession lasts 22 months, if you want to play extra safe you could park your money in a 2 year gic at 3.3% yield but its a bad mive IMO. Who is even talking about a recession? A recession is 2 consecutive quarters of negative economic growth in real GDP, income, employment, manufacturing, and retail sales.
Stop saying recession. Just stop.

>>11734344
I hope it works out for you...

>>11734344
Ayyyyyyyyyyyy did the same thing along with putting down 1k in GE before the bump

>>11734344
I like it anon, sometimes its good to invest in companies you believe in and know a lot about. You are a consumer and you have to believe their are other consumers who think like you. I hope you hit a home run.

>>11734344
Why would you do that when it is still falling? You could have gotten more stocks for the same price if you waited. It dipped to yearly-all-time low today.

>>11734344
>Know the time to buy is not now
>Will only have about 8k dollaros to invest even at the lowest dip
You stupid fuck do not deserve that money to play with

>>11734344
Really?

>>11734398
If it hits bottom, he caught the falling knife, if it falls further he can cost average it out, not a huge deal anon.

>>11734375
Yeah, I'm gonna get some GE on the 15th. While shit is cheap and before they do the spin outs. Be getting stock in GE + each spin out for chump change.

>>11733462
You're going to panic and sell Amazon too
Stop pretending you know enough for anyone else to follow your advice

>>11734502
Who said anything about anyone following my advice? I sure didn't. Anyway, why would I sell Amazon? They got so many profit streams that the whole economy would have to just take a massive shit (1930s level) before they'd be hurt any.

>>11734534
They also have a pretty strong rival in ali baba

>>11734534
good job buying amzn before the pump

>>11734344
Dumb. This shit's gonna continue to fall. Activision has nothing coming up, their debt is high, the P/E ratio is too high, investors are jumping ship not only because of the diablo controversy, but because they are stagnating big time. Their price is gonna go below $40. Should have put money into TTWO.

>>11734555
Spyro reignited comes out tomorrow.

>>11734581
They fucked up big time with that. One game on disc, two for DLC. People got real mad. And Spyro would not be a big seller anyway, not enough boomer with nostalgia to give that big number sale. And zoomers are over the whole Spyro toy/video game era.

>>11734534
Alibaba, antitrust.

>>11734344
>>11734344
>>11734595
I'm iffy about videogame companies in general.

>>11734595
>17th best selling PlayStation title in history.
Anon its for kids yes but it was an enourmously popular title in its day. It outsold every sports title made for playstation.
Stop trying to make the anon feel bad, it wasn't a horrible risk to take and it could pan out if he commits.

>>11734631
How many kids do you know that play Spyro? Do you know any zoomers that'll buy it? I don't think even millenials are s*y enough to buy it. He might be right about Diablo, but not Spyro.

So how will 2019 turnout?

>>11734653
zoomers are all obsessed with fortnite and games like that. It needs building to appeal to them. They grew up on minecraft and without building they dont like something.

>>11734680
crash march

>>11734653
The last title was 12 years ago, so theres that, unless you count the skylanders title which generated half a billion in sales and toy revenue, but I dont hang out with 10-12 year olds so you are correct, i know zero people.

>>11734680
Me really interested if SP hit 300 eoy or no

>>11734698
Hadn't even thought about that. I grew up with Minecraft and I hate building in every damn videogame. My friend had to train me to build shit in Fortnite because my instincts were to just shoot and disregard the gay building.

>>11734724
I'm not trying to shoot down Spyro as hard as you think I am, but I don't see anything on /v/ about it and there's a lot of millenial there. Activision's a gamble for sure.

>>11731159
when are you boomers finally going to buy a 1k stack of Chainlink as suicide insurance?
If it fails, youre down 1k USD and its not going to affect your life at all.
But the speculative nature of this project is too good of an opportunity to pass up. Its hard to argue that 1K of your money is not worth the risk/reward ratio.

>>11734680
election coverage 24/7

>>11734736
it schwill

>>11734769
Someone redpill me on why people shill this stuff like a cult.

>>11734799
usually I'll tell people to DYOR but because Im in /SMG/ I dont think thats fair to you guys. So ill just drop this pic here and let you make the decision yourself.

also, this pic gives a bad example of what smart contracts can achieve in business so also read up on this article:
https://www.ccn.com/smart-contracts-12-use-cases-for-business-and-beyond/

Remember, the crypto market is highly speculative. I'll leave the decision up to you

>>11734737
>I'm not trying to shoot down Spyro as hard as you think I am, but I don't see anything on /v/ about it and there's a lot of millenial there. Activision's a gamble for sure.
I appreciate what you are saying and I don't think it will be as "huge" as it once was Im just saying there could be a market for Christmas for parents with young kids who dont want a shooter or hack and slash and I really dont think if you buy blizzard right now you are foing to lose your shirt, I honestly believe it's close to bottom and as a long term investment, its not like it will never see $60 again, not everyone is a day trader.

>>11732044
>tfw you're a new investor
>tfw you put almost 40% of your portfolio into memeajuana stocks.
Ford is the only thing keeping my portfolio stable right now.

>>11734769
Fuck off linkies.

whats going on in Britain, May going to resign?

>>11733563
Just got off work, fucking POS manager don't know anything, I'll take a look at everything now.

>>11731333
>doesn't even match annual inflation.
I'm sorry anon.

>>11733514
That's what happened to Aurora. Canopy will probably do the same thing Wednesday and there will be a crash anyway.

Games now, least to me, just suck. All the ideas/plots,etc is just re hashes of the golden age of Playstation,Nintendo etc. Rehashes and ports is all we get now. The ports all suck cause they fuck with shit that made the original so damn good.

>>11731431
Also easy mode are staples, telecom and utilities. Don’t forget sales growth either.
Consider V too.

>>11734799
Many bought in between jan and febuary when volume was at an all-time high at around $1 now it's at .60 and they are just trying to suck people in to recoup their loses. It's a sad and sorry bunch we all feel very sorry for.

Day/swing trade bros.

I am a baby day trader and my strategy rn is look for oversold stocks post-market and then buy when they rebound and sell. What is this strategy called? Can you give me suggestions to find other lessons on this shit?

Since gaming has come up again I thought I'd share this. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are what you want.

Don't fall for the China meme by the way. Their market is its own ecosystem ripe with IP theft and counterfeit that's impervious to outside companies. Recently the government has also suspended all further game approvals even for Tencent. Japan spends more on microtransactions anyway.

>>11733599
>NLY
Look at NRZ pal

what's the point of buying individual stocks and waste your time analyzing the market when you can just invest into index that tracks the markets.

>>11735233
Beating it.

>>11735233
For the profit you gain if those shares you own skyrockets or splits.

any AMRS holders in here?

>>11735293
>Beating it.

>>11735366
HORY SHET. I always regretted selling it too soon at $7, but I guess it's even worse for the bagholders now.

>>11735174
NRZ is very comfy right now.

>>11734892
Ah well, I'm sure there are millions of folks that are equally disappointed.

This is my first year filing taxes since i started investing. Anything a newfag should know?

>>11735927
I'll have to fuck with the tax shit to when I file for 2018. I'm assuming your brokerage will send you the forms (or download from website). Then just fill in the correct boxes on the IRS forms (if you do your own taxes)

>>11735927
just ignore it

>>11736037
I'm assuming that because I'm at a loss i won't have to pay. Is this correct?
>>11736045
I feel like doing this

>>11736045
I wish. Last thing you want is the IRS down your throat. Far better just to do it and get it over with.

Japan’s 1.2 percent annualized contraction in July-September was more than a median estimate for a 1.0 percent decline and followed a robust 3.0 percent expansion in the previous quarter.

>>11736101
Correct, but any dividends you get count as income, even if you have them reinvested via drip.

>>11731159
Amrn

Have fun with the easiest 4x of your life

Ok guys my money was in a nice comfy mutual fund with pretty high mer(2.02%) and i just put the whole thing in an s&p index fund 0.5%.
How retarded am I on a scale of 1 to Forrest gump?

>>11736101
I'd still fill any and all paperwork with the irs though. Trust me, you don't want to trigger an audit. Then your financial life is really under a microscope. During an audit pretty much any financial records going back 5 years is up for inspection so if you ain't got them, your fucked, plus the fines and other shit.

>>11734439
It's almost like we are the same anon will make it. We will make it hope you are picking up some weed stock mainly APHA

>>11736127
Well I'm a poorfag so I should get most of my income back. Half my income is under the table though
>>11736166
I just said i felt like it. The transition into boomerdom isn't always smooth

>>11734375
is this the bottom?

>>11734300
whats a CFD?

>>11734301
i work about 45 hours a week and am much quicker than everybody else , i make like 16-17/hour net after gas and taxes more or less

Do you guys beat indices that relate to your investment vehicles or do you just get btfo by the market and still try to pick the winning horses?

>>11736446
you win some you lose some
cant win if you dont play
fall down 7 times get up 8

>>11736314
Honestly I don't think so I believe it's 6something but if it goes that low I'll drop more into it I want to believe GE will pull through

>>11736446
research shows that even financial professionals don't outperform the market over a statistically significant period of time, even though most of them were educated and trained in valuation analysis. they spend most days monitoring market moves and news and still underperform the broad indices.
your best approach, in my humble opinion, is to diversify across asset classes and sectors. if you have the risk tolerance for equities (stocks), then empirical research suggests that you'll do better than 50% of investors if you simply buy and hold passive, low-fee, low-turnover, broad market index funds.

>winning horses
what's important to note is that the market does not price stocks in isolation, it prices them within the overall market. markets today price securities as though there are no firm-specific risk, because firm-specific risks can be diversified away (by holding multiple securities across industries which don't correlate to each other). if you try to pick a winning horse, you're most likely overpaying for the security, as it's already naturally priced higher than it otherwise would've been because it's being priced by others who are purchasing it among a broad portfolio and not as an individual pick.

>>11732023
good bait
and yet, diversification is the pillar of all modern investment research, and indexing is the cheapest and easiest way to diversify.

The market is unpredictable; diversification is your only hope of not waking up one day a bankrupt cuck. Case in point; Article released about some high up stockbroker dude who got beat in returns over time by stocks he picked out at 12 yrs old. 4 stocks, those 4 beat the entire market over time vs the whole index. Those 4 stocks? All consumer good type. Disney and KO were 2 of them. So if you got those 2 you should be happy.

>>11736708
So in other words; he got lucky.

>>11733514
earnings are meaningless for short term stock price

when will people learn?

>>11736708
>people still dont know the power of brownian motion

>people still think beating the index's is hard to do

its like you people hate money

>>11736341
Delivery jobs are the shit. Just chill and listen to music, smoke. I used to plan out the best routes to maximize gains.
Working for tips is the way to go

>>11736732
this is so very wrong
earnings are not, in any way, meaningless for short term stock price.
your chart, though cute, ignores one important and obvious thing - that earnings are not the only news issued on that day. following the reporting of earnings, businesses hold earnings calls with investors. they discuss performance, forecasts, strategic developments, and answer questions. all of those impact share price, since all share prices are forward looking. earnings are a measurement of performance for the business last quarter. everything else is an indicator of the business's future performance... which, you guessed it, impacts share price.

>>11736764
this may be fine for a tax-exempt entity like a pension fund, but otherwise, rebalancing monthly on 50 stocks creates 50 taxable events each month, which equals 600 taxable events each year. go ahead and price that into the chart and see how your after-tax rebalancing performance looks. or better yet, don't start in the year 2000 right after the tech market busted.

So many newfrens today.

GREEN DAY TOMORROW

>>11736796
we really do need a new plague

the quality of recent newfreds has been going downhill lately

>>11736809
https://soundcloud.com/box_buster/ey-yada-kemono-friends

>>11736836
The rate hikes will eliminate 35% of the posters ITT

>>11733563
Hey guys just finished the AMRS CC, and think this company has great potential to be honest. I can't promise anything, but they missed their vitamin E oil sale royalties which materially impacted their overall profits for Q3.

Vitamin E oil is tied with crude price and other chemical companies operations, so earlier this year or last year, vitamin E oil was approx. $30ish a kilo, and this yr in Q3 it was approx. $8ish a kilo. AMRS only gets royalty structure when it's above $8ish a kilo.

AMRS is heavily pushing for the sweetener product, beauty products line, and appears to be signing a lot of license deals and trying to be a big player in the China market, apparently in Q4, they have a huge licensing deal in China which could be worth $50 million? I would wait for the CC script to be out to confirm it.

Overall their gross profit margin is improving which is around 70%, they are getting fucked pretty much due to increases R&D, admin cost, debt and such. I am unsure about the accounting policy they use, but sometimes R&D can be capitalized because it's an intangible asset.

Increase in admin sales cost, etc, makes sense because it cost money to sell your product in markets and all.

And here's the scope, with bigger expectations in the China market, it could be big as China has always been looking for clean products. Further, there was discussion about potentially replicating baby formula, and brief discussion on cannabinoid or cannabis oil. That's fucking crazy. I live in Canada and cannabis is legal here now, and fuck all the cannabis shop is sold out.

The downside is the debt, and a lot of debt holders can convert to equity and dilute. But this is one hell of a company that has a lot of potential.

I remembered this company tried to do jet fuel when it initially started and when crude price tanked, it fucked up the balance sheet. Now they are trying new products, and I think they are trying to find their core product.

>>11736851
I can't wait
A lot of retards and cryptofags have been flooding this general lately

>>11736851
>>11736871
I can only hope so

did we get like 5-10 new tripfags yesterday/this morning alone?

yikes.....

>>11736767
yeah, people make fun of it and im sort of embarrassed but i make a LOT of money fro the work i put it

i drive a civic hybrid so my gas costs are basically free, you'd be amazed how many people buy literally brand new camrys and hyundais and shit to deliver in. Personifcation of the sort of consumerism culture that we make our stock gains off of.

indeed listening to music/podcasts/sports and flirting with the cute girls I work with and end up with $100+ a night in tips is god tier

>>11736882
MrSpoon is the only new tripfag I know of
LCIGuy is just Big5Guy with a different name
Grim has been here for a long time

>>11736858
AMRS continued:
The financial sucks no doubt about it, but this company has potential to impact an industry and take market shares.

If i was looking at it based on financial performance, I wouldn't touch it. But once you look into the technology, biotech engineering, yeast engineering to pretty much make any petroleum byproduct available or any product on the market. Like healthy sweetener, they have the technology to modify the taste to consumer's preferences and produce it at a lower cost. This crazy.

In the end, they have a lot of debt, and that can also be a risk factor that can kill them, and also they don't appear to have a core market which can be risky because you are not an expert or specialist any market, so you may not be optimizing your cost well for all segments.

It's a gamble, but I have faith in AMRS. and i believe it has the potential to be a life changing company that can disrupt many segments of the market.

>>11736910
https://vimeo.com/196474342

watch this to under stand what AMRS can do.

why isnt everybody buying SPY puts for Jan '19, isn't that guaranteed money?

>>11736923
I double dog dare you

>>11736849

banger

>>11736923
imo tomorrow perfect strangle day
we hardcore consolidated it either gonna moon or crash hard

>>11736904
fuck I missed grimposting today?

>LCIGuy is just Big5Guy with a different
aka planes?

i swear there was one or two other new ones this morning, maybe they were just old occasional posters (ive seen harblog before now that i think of it)

is the GE guy new, or is that big5 or baggy changing their name portion of the trip again?

>>11736961
I know which way I am in favor of

any other retards with VXX $45 Calls?

>>11736961
UK is going to set tone

>>11736899
I was kinda embarrassed when i worked delivery too desu. But i was making bank so it didn't really matter. I was taking 2 vacations a year. Wish i would've invested back then.
If you have a good personality working for tips is the easiest way to make nice tax free cash.

>>11736923
I'm long on SPY till 2033

will it work?

https://d39w7f4ix9f5s9.cloudfront.net/8e/78/c4aca7ab4a5dab4097712bc731b2/a-holiday-of-play-1.pdf

Amazon toy catalogue

>>11736910
would you shut the fuck up about AMRS? The pump is over you mong

>>11736809
>>11736849
>>11736961
Pls go up tomorrow

>>11737188
I lost a hundred bucks on AMRS today and I'm pretty annoyed. I'm out of it.

>>11737205
>I lost a hundred bucks on AMRS today and I'm pretty annoyed. I'm out of it.
yeah it's best to let it fall.. if really thinking it'll be a good investment long term sell it and pick it up later for cheaper.. i think it has a long way to go before getting back to 7s.. it's going to be hard with all that added dilution

>>11737219
One thing I noticed about the company is that they don't really focus on anything. They're just seem to do cool materials science. And they're pricey. I visited Sephora to check out the beauty products, and their moisturizers are crazy expensive for the amount you get.

>>11737231
i don't know how many times i have to repeat this to people.. the company is DILUTIVE!! A profitable company with a dilutive share structure could still be trending down over time!

Science =/= profits..
I can't tell you how many times i've heard this "new product, new tech, new science" story before.. it usually always ends up the same.. sometimes it turns out ok.. but with a company like AMRS they are destroying share holder value with their toxic share structure and they've been doing so for years! why would it change now? because they are onto a new product? lol.. they're always onto a new product.. it doesn't change the fact that their share structure sucks..

>>11737271
They are looking at turning a profit soon, and knowing how the market is irrational, people may buy it for the future. In the end, it is a gamble.

Listen to their CC. Could be gimmicks but their future looks pretty bright.

And the operating margin is decent as well in the 70s. Their debt structure don't look good, and appear to have an aggressive forecast, but if they can meet those forecast, this company will fly.

>>11734859
*bzzzzzzzz*

>>11737271
also there's really no other company that can do what AMRS is doing, that's another plus. So they have definitely an intangible or goodwill advantage here, and surprisingly they don't book any of this stuff on their balance sheet.

Look at their B/S, they don't have any intangible assets and normally depending their accounting policy a lot of the R&D can be capitalized...

Kind of like the TESLA where they are the only company doing electric cars at a large scale.

>>11737325
>They are looking at turning a profit soon
they have been saying that for years you jack ass

>their future looks pretty bright.
since when does massive amounts of dilution look "bright"

Why don't you ever post about dilution fuck head? First you pumpers say only 90mill fully diluted now you guys are saying 111mill fully diluted.. which one is it.. you guys are already at 80mill o/s which number is next? 140mill?? why do you keep pumping this fucking turd? its a dilution machine!! the only ones making out are scalpers and conv. prefs. holders... stop being a fucking faggot.. seriously.. stop you fucking piece of shit.

what pot stocks /biz/ holding?

>>11737347
AMRS doesn't have a cult or brand like Tesla. The tech is half the story.

>>11737347
>also there's really no other company that can do what AMRS is doing
oh because no other company is going to swoop in and mimic what they are doing?? if another company does i'm pretty sure they'll do a hell of a lot better job than AMRS

AGAIN.. why don't you talk about the massive amounts of dilution killing the stock price? why do you always beat around the bush??

KYS

>>11737352
RBII.. its at a make it or break it point right now

>>11737352
SMG of course

and sadly a couple NBEV

>>11737325
>CERU muh nigga

>>11737357
hey fagg0t isn't Big5 sporting goods at all time low now? at least when AMRS was shilled here the price was $2 to $3.

you shilling BIG5 stock at a high price faggot. go watch ur kiddy porn or somethin.

>>11737379
>hey fagg0t isn't Big5 sporting goods at all time low now?
what in the fuck does that have to do with AMRS??? just a way to distract i guess huh?

>>11737379
>at least when AMRS was shilled here the price was $2 to $3.
AMRS has been shilled here for years! it has created so many fucking delusional bag holders its unreal.. just fucking sell and take your gains.. the dilution is going to get worse.

>>11737347
>they don't have any intangible assets and normally depending their accounting policy a lot of the R&D can be capitalized...
It means they don't have worthwhile IP.
The problem with tech is that everything looks good on paper. All the time. I work in R&D and it's full of that. Except that what matter is if and when the idea is industry-worthy.

>Ch*na

>>11737410
please don't feed him.. he will go on non stop about how AMRS is different from all the other dilution scams.. when it really isn't.. he will go on to tell you how their future is full of cool fascinating shit.. which we have been hearing for years.. he will go on to tell you that their projected earnings are going to be sky high which AMRS just proved to be wrong...

Seriuosly.. you should ignore AMRS for a couple months...

>>11736851
I hope you're one of them, you goddamned faggot. Go long on AIDS.

>>11737397

I don't think you can look at their B/S the way it is, because a lot of the cost is also R&D expenses, and I wouldn't be surprised somehow in the future, if they can demonstrate that these R&D expenses have generated someform of intangible asset like benefits, wouldn't be surprised that this will provide a lot of value back to shareholders.

>>11737462
please.......... shut the fuck up!

Thank you.

>>11737410
The criteria to capitalise R&D is very strict, and if AMRS can demonstrate all these costs will generate future benefits in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of revaluation.

Because you spent so much $ to develop a tech, and you have a market advantage that nobody else has, this is an intangible asset. Just AMRS hasn't demonstrated a good return yet or someform a correlation from the R&D to profits in order for it to be capitalised. I think if they are successful, their B/S structure could be quite different, but I can't comment on their debt structure as it is a bit complex and takes a lot of time to dissect it.

>>11737475
how about you talk about their toxic as fuck share structure for once??

you keep posting the same shit over and over for the past fucking year.. you.. the same guy.. i know it's you because you repeat the same shit every time..

Tell me about their share structure.. please.. enlighten me as to why it is so toxic and what their plans are to reduce the number of toxic conv. shares... please.. i want to hear that part.. stop talking about their supposed "science" i want to know about their share structure and why they choose a method of financing that destroys the common share holders value over time...

>>11737475
>Because you spent so much $ to develop a tech, and you have a market advantage that nobody else has, this is an intangible asset.
Or you can just fail to capitalize on it. It wouldn't be the first company to fail hard at it.

>>11737507
>Or you can just fail to capitalize on it. It wouldn't be the first company to fail hard at it.

In the end, it is how management reports the financials, and the auditors who say, yes it meets accounting standards and such, they don't care if it is capitalized or not. So I don't think you can look at their shareholder deficit at face value because the R&D does add a lot of value if they can correlate that to future profits. If if that's the case, if management decides to do revaluation, it would be a totally different story.

>>11737545
so you are just going to ignore the share structure question???? AGAIN??

wow.. fucking please just stop.. i don't know who is paying you to keep posting this bullshit but they are big time faggots

MS is now outperforming Amazon. The old Microsoft is outperforming the main and only tech number one growth stock on the market. Let that just slide in.

>>11737569
Imagine being such a shitty company you have to shill your stocks on a balinese pedophilia enthusiast forum.

>>11737635
Think about it for one second. Amazon is a postal service with servers. It's not much of a groundbreaking idea.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-says-exponential-growth-of-ai-is-changing-nature-of-compute/

key quotes
As conventional chips struggle to achieve greater performance and efficiency, demand from AI researchers is surging, noted Young. He rattled off some stats: The number of academic papers about machine learning listed on the arXiv pre-print server maintained by Cornell University concerning is doubling every 18 months. And the number of internal projects focused on AI at Google, he said, is also doubling every 18 months. Even more intense, the number of floating-point arithmetic operations needed to carry out machine learning neural networks is doubling every three and a half months.

All that growth in computing demand is adding up to a "Super Moore's Law," said Young, a phenomenon he called "a bit terrifying," and "a little dangerous," and "something to worry about."

>>11737569
dumb fuck big5 faggot, give me the filing link and i'll take a look at it for you.

you have a life? or are you fucking stupid?

you need to look at the exercise price, if the exercise price is greater than the share value, it adds value in terms of adding capital, which in turn that capital can be used to generate more profits, property and equipment or more into R&D.

>>11737657
>All that growth in computing demand is adding up to a "Super Moore's Law,"
It's nothing new honestly. We are beyond Moore law right now. Conventional chipmakers (think Intel) can't shrink their chips much further, and this year we've seen the first monoltihic 3D and the first backside processing out on the market. Now we are able to put chips upon chips, not only to save up space on circuit boards but also to reduce commutation time.
Retlative to AI, right now it's still in the works but monolithic 3D integration also add huge possibilities, like slapping non-volatile memories on top of logic chips. We've achieved near TRL7 on that.

>>11737717
The arms race is huge right now in the semis industry. In the last 10 years the big fabs (Samsung, Intel, TSMC) had been doing a lot of R&D but right now they are going back to focusing on production, mostly outsourcing their R&D to RTOs (except Intel, but see where it's leading them). The leading RTOs have all a double digit yearly growth rate because they are concentrating the research from many chipmakers, but also FAANGS.

>>11737569

Thanks for wasting my fucking time big5 fucking faggot.

You want me to fucking spoon feed you the information? It's not fucking dilution if the debt is wiped out or converted to common shares or if they pay a fucking higher share price conversion.

Did you take any finance courses?

Can anyone explain how tax works differently for buyback compared to market selling?

>>11737875
>It's not fucking dilution if the debt is wiped out or converted to common shares
It's textbook dilution

>>11737569
Big5Guy you faggot, go take some fucking finance courses.

It is not dilution if it wipes out your debt and the price per share is higher than the current market value. It adds capital to the balance sheet you dumb fuck.

At Q3 2018 they only have three convertible debt outstanding, and the conversion price is all above the market share price. I highlighted everything for you because you are a dumb fuck. What do you have? Did you even finish high school?

>>11737902
yes in terms of only share, but when we eliminate the debt and freed up working capital that don't go to pay interest, and also if they have to pay in additional capital to convert, it provides a stronger balance sheet, more cash and capital to pursue objectives. I don't understand how hard it is to understand this.

When we have more working capital, it allows the company to put more $ into R&D, strategic planning, partnership, etc. which means more revenue in the future.

big5guy is fucking retarded, thank god I only come on 4chan once a month, or else i'd be fucking retarded like big5guy.

>>11737717
The "moore's law" being referenced was the growth in AI investment. AKA AI investment at google was doubling quickly and the compute power dedicated to it also doubling. Not chip density related.

RTX for instance power-wise also appeals to students in ML and career path can be used to justify the high cost.

we should apply this idea >>11737921 but to stocks

>>11737926
It doesn't add capital (only reduces debt), and split the capital into a higher number of shares. It's textbook dilution, basically wiping off debt at the expense of long-term investors.

>weed stocks are a mem-

https://mjbizdaily.com/exec-aurora-cannabis-to-expand-in-u-s-moment-it-becomes-allowable/

Acreage Holdings RTO is proceeding on schedule. Paperwork expected to be buttoned down and squared away Wednesday. That means trading opens to the public on either Thursday or Friday.

https://www.newcannabisventures.com/acreage-holdings-raises-314-million-ahead-of-cse-debut/

Also, my sideways investment in Acreage Holdings hype via investment firm Quinsam Capital Corp appears to have been a solid choice (Quinsam bought ~$1m worth of Acreage shares in pre-IPO funding round). Quinsam released their own quarterly earnings on SEDAR earlier this evening and pretty will killed it year on year, and those earnings didn't even include the multiple return they are certain to make on Acreage Holdings' market debut. This son of a bitch is going bright green tomorrow so help me god.

>>11737980
If the exercise price is higher than the current market value, it adds capital, and this is called contributed surplus in textbook language.

You need capital to grow the company, if you have 1 outstanding share with that is bought in for $100, what the fuck can you do with $100 to grow the company?

That's why more capital is better as long as it doesn't dilute the value to shareholders.

If the exercise price paid in is higher than current market value, if the company had to be liquidated, you would get a higher price per market share due to other people paying in a higher market value for conversion.

Don't be a BIG5GUY.

>>11737926
Conversion really means dilution of the existing bagho... I mean shareholders

Dilution MAY not be a problem if the company can generate more profit thanks to the money... which remain to be seen in the case of AMRS

I am still long AMRS and I know it is a very risky stock. I am waiting for their sweetener caralyst to happen (or not and in that case I would eat my losses and carry on)

Man fuck all that, memelines trading is where it's at

>>11737989

Yep. Despite both tanking hard on market debut, both Aurora and Canopy's venture capital spinoffs, AUSA and RIV respectively, are designed to allow them to wiggle feelers in to the US market and get ahold of key assets early. Constellation Brands' major investment in Canopy Growth was never about the Canadian market. Canada is small and nobody big gives a shit about their local market. That investment was about fostering a company to move the fuck in to US instantly and stake claim when the laws loosen. That's the long game here.

>>11738003

put it this way, if conversion resulted in more paid in capital and a higher price to market paid in capital.

If it had to be liquidated today, would you rather the debt is converted or not?

Answer is yes, because you'd get a higher liquidation value per share.

In the end, it depends if AMRS can utilize that additional capital efficiently to add value to shareholders, it is not dilution.

If management can optimize risk adjusted return on capital, then they should really be fired and hire someone who can.

If they have $100 bucks, and they earn $5, that's pretty good. Now if they have $120, and they earn $5, but they could have done that with $100... then management should be fired or figure out how to utilize the excess capital more efficiently to add value to shareholders.

>>11738088
the moral of the story is the market doesn't believe them to generate value and only sees the dilution
And I agree with it

RSLS about to announce earnigs !!!

Who went full boomer during October?

Tfw 2 oil based stocks that are doing terrible (SBMO and ROYT) . Fuck you orange man !

>>11738175
>NBEV
lol!

>>11738198
I had some change to throw at dudeweedlmao

>>11738207
may as well hold it now until weed legalized

>>11738213
It might go to 5 dollars a share!!!!!

asia red
jewrope red
futures red
:/

>>11738266
italy didnt back down, and UK is heading for more internal squabbling

prepare for red week

>>11738207
>>11738213
>>11738223
yesyesyes

FB gonna have a shit sandwich soon

german and japanese economies are shrinking for the last quarter
not good

>>11738365
>US tariffs mostly focus steel and machine parts
>big steel and machine parts manufacturers tank
much surprise wow

>>11738314
buttpill me on NBEV. Should I even care about it?

>>11734344
wtf i wasnt aware activision bought blizzard... Blizzard always have been overhyped shit but they have braindead NPC cocksuckers who will always buy their shit so i guess it's a decent move.
Activision is in full SJW suicide and everyone knows sjwism only bring decay and enormous losses, "we cry but never buy" should be their motto. Tho being SJW bring in the jew state subsidy, because they don't care about money, only propaganda.
I'm mixed feefees, in one hand bread and circuses will always perform well, on the other hand those are shit companies ruled by cucks and kikes...

>he still hasnt all in'd RKUNY
i feel so sorry for u guys ...

WE HIT THE BIG BUCKS WITH RSLS HOPE YOU GUYS BOUGHT SOME

also FUCK MODS

>altran and valeo green on this shitty day
Fucking WOW

>>11738744
RSLS is green

>>11738293
;/ would love to see a commodities pump, betting on one late this year or early next.

>>11731333
If you can't handle the volatility, you don't deserve the gains.
I don't even feel these corrections anymore, maybe the next real bear market makes me feel something.

>>11731191
Been waiting weeks for acreage to go on the market, it's gonna be glorious anon. I don't even like drugs that much, it's just good business

>>11738175
>CY
Nigga, that's hitting 10 before it hits 20.

>>11739769
I'm holding CY for the long haul. There is a chance they could also get bought out. I've just been buying every dip.

Strange day. No big green PM to crash down at open.

>>11738552
idk, I own four shares and i want it to go up because dude weed (and so i can sell NBEV for profits)

but ever since my state legalized weed ive been looking for some more local (in michigan) weed stock to buy instead

>>11739906
Jamal's green cross Inc. E. 8 Mile.

WERE BACK

GREEN DAY

>>11739996
haha i wish
nigger

Getting JUSTed on CGC in pm

Is the selloff in NASDAQ finally over?
Can I buy one share of Amazon now?

>>11740018
AAPL downgraded. Banks are going to kill aapl down low for cheapies. don't miss out on your only chance coming up.

Markets are going sideways as they bank a dem-controlled senate into the prices.
I'm sure you can work out what this means.

when are the first banks going to start getting justed?

>>11740038
I got Apple already. Amazon is what I'm thinking about to prepare for Christmas.

i wonder if anyone on biz has a share in BRKA
seems like easy money if u get in on it

>>11738175
>BAC
>KHC
>ADS
>GS
>SYF
>NOK
>AAPL
Am I a boomer now?

The euro rally is pretty nice.

New
>>11740173
>>11740173
>>11740173
>>11740173

dgaz

>>11737671
>you need to look at the exercise price, if the exercise price
i'm not the talking about the warrants you scrub! i'm talking about the convertable preferred shares!!

kys

>>11737875
>>11737907
WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE DEBT SECTION!?!?!?

I've clearly been saying the convertable preferred shares!!!

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE RETARDED!!!!

Convertable preferred shares
Convertable preferred shares
Convertable preferred shares


I said nothing about the debt.. even though.. yes.. that is convertable too!!!

fucking KYS!!!