/biz/ - Business & Finance

and we're back!

I can't believe we pruned so damn quickly. fuck you chain link

Oof, was about to click on that post button.

But yeah, fuck chain link.

The discord isn't up to date, I made a new one that shouldn't expire : https://discord.gg<slash>4usKUGn

>>11605082
Good catch.

how do I deal with all the accounting starting?

so tell me about yourself DRC? that's a new tripfag

>>11605098
Use a spreadsheet.

>>11605225
Direct Response Copywriter. Dropped in on /biz/ out of curiosity, went into the Discord, found there's a need for good marketing info, thought I'd get involved.

Not interested in investing or cryptos; gotta bring in the moolah.

>>11605027

ay whats up boys

new update launched on merv.tech, now it tracks the most popular crypto subreddit, alongside biz

some anon I don't know actually posted a thread about the site yesterday, neat to see

what are you all up to? any new projects?


also who's the trip that wanted to link up and fuck around with dapps? send me that email bro

>>11605248
soon enough you'll buy into chainlink just wait lmao

>>11605318
AYOOO bro im right here lets make some nice Ponzi Dapps
14sdf64d@protonmail.com

>>11605375
>soon enough you'll buy into chainlink just wait lmao
Unlikely. I've seen people burned by investments, and there's better (safer) ways to multiply money.

>>11605375

sweet will send later today

get some ideas ready

hggfdfdsdfds

bump where are all my entg doods brooo

>>11605657
>>11605375
>>11605318
The hell are y'all working on?
I'm interested.

>>11606405
making money on these dweebs. You can help out during our ICO

>>11606682
Sounds very interesting. What's the timeline?

>>11606718
setting up a group name, is the first order of business I think. maybe "REEEEEEEEEEEEE LLC" what do you think?

>>11606869
DirectFromWeb LLC

>>11606887
Placing LLC at the end makes us un-sue-able right? i need some legal advice

>>11606899
No, you can still get sued except this time you can’t defend yourself in court pro bono. :)

>>11606947
In pro per lmao not pro bono
Have to hire a lawyer or it will be failure to appear
But you cabr be held personally liable unless you use company bank account for you’re own finances (comingking of fundsH

All this is Delaware law btw

>>11606967
Can’t be*
Comingling of funds*

>>11606947
how do I avoid getting all my money being taken away by some jew >: ( ? putting"you can't sue us" is the TOS

NodeJS, AWS, software engineer here. Good at product but can't design for shit. Intelligent. Useful to anyone? I posted last night but forgot about the thread

How is everyone approaching their goals/tasks/motivation.
Do you have a purpose of doing anything, or is it just to make any money?
How do you stay focused?
How do you balance other commitments like work or study?

>>11606989
somebody wanted to get in contact with you i think check the previous thread it should be listed in OP

Been an interesting day for me. I had court today, that was fun. Charged $90 for speeding because I was testing out some AI in my car lmao. What do y'all figure is the best way to hook shit up to my steering wheel and pedals? I'm thinkin' some kinda solenoid setup but I'll be honest I'm not very good at mechanical shit.

>>11607038
this has been so hard for me lately I don't know why. I sometimes peanuts when I really want to focus though. so maybe do that to stay focus its better than drugs lol

>>11607071
>AI in my car lmao
sounds pretty safe to me bro just let it roll if you programmed it right it should have outrun the cop

>>11607098
lol, I don't think I actually told anyone what I do here. I'm an independent researcher developing what I like to call "Idempotent Networks", basically all the buzzwords like neural networks but they're all broken down into sub-problems and then come together for a final solution to the problem. For example, I'm working on an AI that only knows how to stop and slow down, another for steering, another for navigation, etc. And then they all come together to drive a car. Much simpler than designing 1 AI to do everything.

It's all experimental though, but I might publish my results in a blog or some shit some day.

As far as safety goes, well, I haven't hit anything yet.

>>11607179
lmao the only thing you told us is that you wanted to make an ai grass mower. wow that sounds really intresed dude. how did you get into AI? you said you do it in javascript right?

>>11607210
I still want to put this shit on my lawnmower too lol. As far as getting into AI, idk, prolly like a year or two ago I was reading about neural networks kinda at the start of the 'bubble.' Thought it was really cool and I needed a new hobby at the time other than vidya and going to the range. And yea, it's all in nodejs; not the best choice but it's what I know.

>>11607179
This is pretty interesting reminds me of those guys who all come together each doing one thing to make an animatronic movie prop look real on screen. Why didnt you just test in an abandoned parking lot though?

Happy to see another thread go up. It was so dead today and I don't understand a lot of the tech jargon you guys talk about, so didn't know how to answer any questions.
Let me know what you guys want in the pastebin so I can make one tomorrow.
Also AIfag how do I into AI and neural networks? I want to make robots too.

>>11607479
Most AI is just linear algebra and optimization, so I'd go and learn how to multiply matrices/vectors, brush up on your functions, and learn a little bit about derivatives. Then just transcribe algorithms into code. Supposedly making the actual robot itself for most applications is easy, it's just getting it to do cool and interesting things is the issue. Luckily, that's all software.

>>11607554
Oof
That was mostly word salad to me my AI friend, but nothing is impossible. I'll cap it and add it to my list of things to learn. Robot and AI stuff really interests me but im not very tech and math literate. I also have a cap from a few threads ago about and AI book pastebin so I'll look at that too. Thanks for your reply. How successful was your car experiment?

>>11607741
Welp I got a speeding ticket so... guess I gotta figure out a way to pull some GPS data for street signs. If that's even a thing.

>>11607809
If Tesla can do it you can too bro

learn to ignore chainlink scam spammers

>>11605375

>>11607809
The stop and slow down part wasn't working? Do you need like a camera to detect stop lights or something?

>>11605027
Might I suggest some things that we need to collect for the inevitable future pastebin? For this general, we need lots of resources to help amateur entrepreneurs and freelancers.

We should start seeing the best platforms for networking and finding investers, the best business loans, where to buy ATMs and vending machines, acquiring parking lots, and rental properties.

And good books on entrepreneurship in general.

Can anyone help me?

I am a pretty critical and skeptic person by nature, probably too skeptic for my own good. So I tend to find "holes" in any idea or any business I want to start, which is preventing me from actually starting. (Mostly pretty basic things such as: "it won't work out, something like this already exists", etc) Right now, I would basically only start something if it was guaranteed to work, which is impossible to know beforehand obviously.

Also there are so many directions to go in so I can't even get started and choose one thing, can anyone relate? How, if so, have you overcome that hurdle? How the fuck do I get started and what do I do?

Personal pros: I am a quick learner, I optimize everything once I get started, decently intelligent.

Cons: no special skills, unmotivated due to depression, no drive.(which could change I guess once I get results).

>>11608175
Well if there's a car infront of me the system did quite well. The problem was there was no one infront of me so it thought it was ok to just speed up without a limit (I didn't realize I was speeding either, but I was in the driver's seat with a kill switch incase it went like 50 mph or some stupid shit). I'm kinda poor so I can't really just attach a camera wherever it needs one but doing something like that and reading speed limit signs could work.

>>11608227
In the words of Dan Lok himself, "Just get it done." Do the implementation now and optimize later.

>>11608227
Just do it. You will never know if a idea is good or bad if you never try it out. Lots of people have great ideas, but are too scared to try them out.

Drop redpill on direct response copywriting? Never heard of it, thanks anon

>>11608207
Issue with these is that the specifics vary wildly.
And truly, it's less about the platforms where you can find these things, and more about the things themselves. You want reputable sellers, and those don't often use platforms in the first place.

>>11608227
List all your objections to the idea; then research the idea. Make sure you write everything down.
See which objections can be addressed, and which can't.
Are they deal-breakers? Are they going to keep you from being profitable?
If not, start small, run some ads, do outbound and get clients before scaling up.

>>11608307
Dan Lok is so fucking overrated.
I appreciate the hustle, but starting a new business without even knowing if it'll work out is retarded.

>>11608359
>This Anon spends a only a few hours writing for a few days in a month... and still makes more than the average American!

Discover his tested-and-proven method of collecting money from happy, satisfied people all around the nation...

And all he does is, write just a few words.

You might think that anyone can do this... but only few, select people qualify for this exclusive, private course in writing those specific magic words which make people do exactly what you ask of them.

All this, and more, is revealed in the limited-print report "MASTERS OF MARKETING: THE SMART ENTREPRENEUR'S GUIDE TO BUSINESS"...

You'll learn:
>Just how naive people are
>That emotions drive actions
>That logic only matters when you DON'T get it out of the way
>and so on...

Call now, and you'll get a copy of our best-selling book "Direct Response Secrets", FREE!

And so on, and so on.

The gist of it is, you have two types of advertising.

Advertising which raises brand awareness (think Coke, Pepsi, Microsoft, etc)
Advertising which aims at getting people to take action (Fress Pressed Olive Oil Club - https://freshpressedoliveoil.com/))

Copywriting (i.e. TRUE copywriting) is salesmanship in print.

>>11607267
can you understand and develop ml? what frameworks do you use?

>>11606989
interesting, what have you developed in node, any live webapps? merv.tech uses the MERN stack

>>11606887
what's your skillset friend?

>>11608445
I write words that sell.

>>11608445
>can you understand and develop ml
I sure hope so because that's what my research is all about
>what frameworks do you use
My own. I've rolled my own code for particle swarm optimizers, genetic evolution algorithms, self organizing maps, and recurrent neural networks. Currently going into the maths of bayesian networks and considering if I should write code for those as well.

Hi im the scooter guy from yesterday
What do you guys think about renting out scooters/bikes
Have you seen people doing it? What kinda scooters are they using?
Would you use one and how much would you and how much do you think tourist would pay for them?
Have you tried it?
I need foresight on problems and cost that would come up.
Also any sites for research would be greatly appreciated.

>>11608440
Interesting so do you do your own thing or you have sketchy clients that hire you to do shit for them? How'd you get started? I always thought that shit never worked but people are dumb as fuck

>>11608614
>Interesting so do you do your own thing

No, I freelance. Better tax regulations for freelancers, not worth it for me to start a company.

>or you have sketchy clients that hire you to do shit for them?

I don't write for anyone sketchy. Currently in a long-term engagement with a sales trainer, previously I've written in a number of niches, weight loss, diets, relationships, persuasion, etc.

>How'd you get started?

Read Dan Kennedy's "Ultimate Sales Letter" and Grant Cardone's "Sell or be Sold". Then find clients and write ads for them.

>I always thought that shit never worked but people are dumb as fuck

It works, even on super-intelligent people.

It's a matter of matching your message to your market in the right media.

>>11608445
oh shit you're that anon that made merv.tech right? nice site dude.

>>11608650
Thanks for the solid info dude, how lucrative is it? I imagine if you get a solid rep and steady harem of clients you could do pretty fucking good if you just churn these out quickly.

>>11608207
Any link suggestions then?
Whatever is suggested I'll cap and pastebin it. Besides that incerto book collection not sure of any other books.
>>11608307
Maybe like 3 cameras 2 on the mirror sides and one looking out the dash or front hood? Or do a Google maps thing and have a big one on the top. Probably expensive but maybe the smaller ones could be inexpensive? Just a thought. maybe you could mcguyver something.

>>11608698
It's fairly standard practice (with companies which know what they're doing) that you get a base plus a bonus/ commission on each conversion your copy generates. It's not uncommon to get between 5 and 15% on sales, and $0.02 to $0.1 on each newsletter subscription.

>>11608723
Holy fuck you've got to be kidding me. Okay I'll read those books, what's your commission on them btw? I see the irony of you selling me on how to sell people, I assume you're pretty good at this

>>11607038
Good questions! I'm working on an Affiliate Marketing project right now. I'm at Stage One. Never ran a business. Never built a website. My hustle is weak. But this is the first time I had a clear vision for something. I believe this could work.

>How is everyone approaching their goals/tasks/motivation.
Off to a flaky start! Today I just wrote down some niche's but none of them really stuck yet. I got some wordpress guides, I haven't watched any yet. Did watch a few youtube videos. The niche is the current hurdle.

>Do you have a purpose of doing anything, or is it just to make any money?
Initially it was about money. And I still think "Oh man. The money if I'm successful!" But now I see the REAL opportunity. I thought affiliate marketing was all spam. I didn't fully understand it. And that is because most of these sites are selfish spammers, selling shitty stuff. Who wants a crappy book, course, or program with no substance? Hell no! That's wrong you guys.

The more I read up, the more I envision real value. It's almost like magazines in our internet era. And people read them! You could craft a lifestyle about some of your favorite interests. With pictures, videos, product reviews, guides, illustrations, or articles that get people to check out your world. And here's the kicker, even if it fails to "sell". Then at least you STILL have a brand that can be sharpened up and churned into something tangible.

>How do you stay focused?
Something I do need to discipline myself with! This one absolutely needs the most work. I quit gaming about 8 months ago. Still I find myself in the habit of watching twitch, youtube, browsing reddit and 4chan. That will be cut down next. Twitch is garbo. YT is too vast. 4chan and reddit are a problem for me.

>How do you balance other commitments like work or study?
I only work 7 hours a day and sleep 5-8 hours. Subtract 2 hours for bullshit. I honestly have no excuse NOT to be putting in a 8-12 hours daily grind.

>>11607038
>goals/tasks/motivation
Fuck a job/boss
>Do you have a purpose of doing anything, or is it just to make any money?
At first it was just to make money but the more I learn and grow the more I feel like hydroponics in general and microgreens more specifically are actually going to be huge in a couple years when the last family farms close and Monsanto owns 100% of American agribusiness
>How do you stay focused?
The few hours I work st my retail job fill me with such hatred that all I can think about is how to better my business
>How do you balance other commitments like work or study
I posted off my boss so I only work like 12-20hrs a week and my only other commitments are my wife and D&D so it all pretty well balances itself

>>11608760
Not kidding, but you actually need to be pretty good, and proven, to get into the mid-higher levels.
Buyer beware - it *is* hard work, and you *will* have to push pretty hard. If you don't know sales, and aren't comfortable cold-mailing and cold-calling pretty hard until you get a deal closed, this is probably not a good plan for you.

That said, you can get lucrative deals. The copy I'm writing for the sales coach guy's mastermind is a $1k base + 50% on each member's fees. Several days a month of writing (honestly, not even that, more like 16-18 hours), boom, done.

OTOH, you gotta network, you gotta learn very strong outbound marketing.

>>11608175
Hey dude, I just read the background to your trip while browsing and old thread and wanted to share this website with you.

http://www.vertanux1.com/

My background is in 3D design and drafting. This is a website that my professor in college created in order to help anyone learn how to use 3D drafting software for free. Hr straight up wrote course books and puts the all the required information online along with walk through videos. I hope this will help you out, thanks for getting the ENTG threads up and running again. I was super happy to see it and it got me back into blog marketing which was a dream of mine I put on hold. Thanks for everything man.

>>11608790
Nice dude loving your positive attitude! Even if you have to take baby steps to get there, youre going to make it. Totally feel ya on the distraction stuff. YouTube and 4chan can be really time consuming but even just writing down those niches was a step in the right direction.

>>11608857
I could seriously kiss you right now bro! Thanks so so much i am capping this and going to go through it tomorrow after work. Seriously I appreciate any help I can get, total brainlet wanting to make some sort of career and I feel this is what I should do. Honestly if it wasnt for young poorfag starting these threads, I wouldn't have been inspired to keep them alive. They really kicked me in the pants to start taking this more seriously. Glad that we could help you get your dream running again dude, happy to have you here!

>>11608953
Hey, if you ever have any 3D modeling questions feel free to ask. I'm on my phone currently so I'm hoping I can use my trip once I get on my computer. Otherwise im on the entg discord thats been going around. Sadly the job I got right out of college is all 2D shit designing gas pipelines so I'm hoping to get back to my roots doing 3D design. I'd suggest learning solidworks over anything else, that seems to be the industry standard and I've had no problem when it comes to using my solid works stuff on my 3D printer. Also for anyone out there looking into 3D printing make sure you get something open source. I fucked up and bought this weird hybrid printer and I'm gonna end up shelling out an extra $150 to get a decent slicer becuase currently the printer doesnt work for shit.

>>11609008
Thanks again dude. Haven't been in the discord yet, is there a lot of interaction? I figure that's why these threads can get a bit slow. I'll check it out, just been busy waging and running around as usual. I'm set to buy my printer in 2 weeks. I have the capital already but id rather spend part of a paycheck than my savings. An anon suggested Ender 3 I think? I have it capped. He said it's open source and a lot cheaper than the CR10 I was looking at. Not willing to get a 2grand machine until I've got the basics down. I may have questions about sodtware requirements and filament once I get it. Appreciate the help.

>>11609080
No worries. Yeah I saw that post. If it really is like $200 and is open source I'd say go for it. I'd look at the platform size and make sure its big enough to hold most of your prints. Also as for filiment you'll have some options, I'd say make sure you can do pla and abs since those two seem like the most popular and the best for versatility.

>>11608850
Just wanted to say thanks for the info, this is usually the best thread on biz. Ill figure out what I can contribute, I've worked for uncle Sam the past decade so my hustle game is weak

>>11609155
You're welcome. And yeah, the hustle can be VERY brutal.

>>11609109
Nice thanks
The other anon said the bed size wasn't that much smaller than the CR10 which is why I was looking at it because of the size for the price. I've seen that PLA is pretty popular and abs too but have read that abs tends to warp a bit. I'll only know once I get everything and test it. Will keep in mind. Gotta wage so I'm heading out. Absolutely thanks again. I'm sure I'll see you around and will check out the discord. Hopefully the thread will be up tomorrow. Peace my dude

>>11607071
i don't know much hardware side , but i recommend you see this video> https://youtu.be/mPbtR4vorgY
he uses some sorta motor to press the pedals maybe it can help you out.

>>11608472
so you use a lot of adjectives right?

>>11608953
>>11609155
I'm extremely happy this online thread on an autistic fish basket-weaving website is helping all you guy out IRL. I really never thought it would have this much impact. But don't forget your knowledge and experience with everybody else that is the true beauty of this thread.

>>11609333
>so you use a lot of adjectives right?
Quite a few, although less than most people think when they're starting out.

>>11609343
could you do a shill on this pepe just for the giggles

>>11609333
I fuckin' love Michael Reeves. I'm honestly quite surprised he isn't popular on /g/.

Anyone here do their own consulting work?

>>11609476
I've been considering in doing some freelance accounting, since that's my "profession" as the boomers call it.

>>11609476
Yeah, marketing and general consulting for smaller businesses which have no idea what they're doing.

>>11609489
Heck, if any of you /entg/ bois need some accounting work I'll provide a free 1st time consultation. I need some money for cameras and drones.

>>11609489
>>11609502

How'd you get your client base? Networking or old fashion advertising?

>>11609514
In the past, I wagecucked for a small firm (i.e. I have no clients). Looking back on that, it's kinda retarded I did that because as an accountant you can literally work for yourself just based on the merit that 99% of people are dumb with their money.

Maybe I'll get my series 7 or whatever it is to provide investment advice too.

Pre work bump. Chainlink sucks.

>>11609503
hahah code one broski and make it SAAS

>>11609514
I only consult for people who ask me; they see I get results for my clients, they contact me, and the rest is history.
It's a side-gig, not my main thing.

If I were to pursue it properly, I'd do outbound (cold-mail, phone sales) and network HARD.

>>11609503
Same offer for marketing/ copy/ sales.

>>11609574
That's not a bad idea.

>>11609591
you can market it as a cutting-edge software using the latest in AI technology to find your best tax cuts and benefits. DRC could probably sell it better lmao

>>11609660
hah, sadly it's kinda a boring field with not much room for innovation besides some automata stuffs. Maybe use AI on how to best grow their business though although I'd have no idea how to implement that.

>>11605027
New discord link!
Old one is dead!

Python or ruby on rails for making a web app?

Bump. Can't be too careful with these chain chinks

>>11610566
Node.js. You can thank me later.

>>11610566
I'm biased towards nodejs too. 10/10 would recommend.

>>11610566
>>11611324
>>11611329
Picked up node.js recently. I've REALLY been getting into it. It has my vote too.

>>11608844
>>11608790
>>11607081
Guess it's my time to answer my own question
I'm doing a PhD in a decent field, but I don;t see myself getting a job either in academia or industry. I do part time tuition which brings a little bit of money, but it's not passive.
So I started a website with all my learning resources, where students can download them individually for free or (in the future) purchase collated and improved packs. I have also started writing algorithms for generating puzzles and putting them on Amazon as paper backs for people to buy, but I'm changing the model in a few months. I will build a website where I provide the puzzles (10 or so) for free as PDFs, but then larger amounts you can either buy from me, and print yourself, or buy from amazon and get a paperback.
So:
My purpose is to earn enough money to FIRE and spend my days looking after future kids, running a small home farm, and hiking very often. I'm in the UK, so I need about £250,000 to FIRE very cheaply, or £0.5M to do it comfortably. I'm about 6% of the way there (I track all my income and expenses).
I can't stay focused for short amount of times. If I have to be somewhere else in 3-4 hours, I can;t do anything productive until then. Which sucks, because I only have a free day on Sunday, where I can get in the zone and work for 12hours. I'm trying to fix that by timing myself doing short tasks (15/30min) and I got a small notebook to write ideas and working out in quickly when I get hit with one, but have to stay focused on another task.
Most of superior life-balancing comes from the fact that I can self delude myself into thinking it's superior. The truth is that I spend too much thinking about other commitments when doing something. I will spend hours thinking about my ventures when working at uni etc. The grass is always greener.
Hope this helps some of you

>>11611392
>>11611329
>>11611324
Alright now I feel stupid trying to use django or rails.

nodejs turns a bunch of complicated code into something simple.

gfdfff

WOAH PAGE 9 THAT WAS A CLOSE BUMP

>>11609912
The one I posted in the third post of this thread should be still good.
Tell me if I'm wrong.

Fuck /entg/, I don't want to get back to the grind. Finished my internship at a Private Bank, found out that I love clarifying business issues, bringing order to chaos, visualising relationships between things etc. Don't like working for someone else and having to suck corporate cock. Thinking about getting into consulting for small businesses at a (very) low price to attract business and get a good rep
>How do I market myself given that I have no formal experience in the field and I'm only 21 years old?
Got a 10/10 for the internship, good grades and some extracurriculars/rewards. Should I list these things on my website?

Posting again since no one answered in the last thread

Anyone know where to get bulk/wholesale books?
I've been looking around but I haven't found a place to get a high amount, say >400 of one book.

What about talking to the publisher directly? Will they make a deal with any company or are there certain special hoops to jump through?

>>11605510
>Better (safer) ways to multiply money.

Like?

>>11612688
yeah just mention your past experience at the bank and the problems you solved and how you found the most efficient way to fix them and how much you saved the bank, and how you can translate that into their own business. unironically you have to go in person and shill yourself to them

>>11612871
mutual funds

>>11612847
https://bulkbookstore.com
Was the most prevalent website on Google's first page. Don't know how legit they are by they sell 400+ copies.
Barnes and nobles apparently sells in bulk you can get a quote from their website.
Book-pal and thriftbooks also pop up a lot. No experience buying personally just thought I'd give you something to look up. I'm sure you're looking for a more personal recommendation.

Has anywhere here dabbled in the phone repair business? There's no local phone repair in my area so I'd be able to get their business plus I'm thinking of buying used phones, repairing them, then ebaying them

>>11611545
>I got a small notebook to write ideas and working out in quickly when I get hit with one, but have to stay focused on another task.

Dude, you really need to start using onenote. It really makes my day alot better. On it I have daily to-do lists and many idea-lists. Because of adhd I get constantly hit with ideas and using onenote to write them down really helps me focuse on what I should do. Onenote is also synced to my phone so I always have the ability to write down myshitty ideas. When I'm bored I go through my ideas and elaborate the ones that tingle my willy there and then. Some turns into projects, most don't. But it's very helpfull to get them out of my head. I also write my shopping list on there.

I have tried notebooks before, but I always stopp using them because it's never there when I need it, and it gets disorganized in just a week

>>11613053
Would it be worth it with the eBay and PayPal fees though? If you were selling more expensive phones it would be better on eBay. You should give it a go, people definitely need the service. All you need is youtube tutorials and tools I'm pretty sure. Just don't limit yourself to only the new phones because some boomers will pay a lot just to keep their current phone. My experience is anectdotal mostly. Thought about doing this as a side for awhile. Most phone fixing places are physical locations from what I've seen

boys is teespring good? i don't have any capital to sustain printful. Cause shopify will not pay instantly.

>>11613028
That's very nice anon, thank you. I had come across it a week ago but I was trying to search by category instead of more specific terms, but now that I've got a few titles in mind this is the gold mine. Sorry for being retarded

Here's a bootleg rare pepe

>>11613619
No problemo dude thanks for the pepe
Glad to help at least when I can. :)

Lots of discontent on this board lately. Thanks to the other anons suggesting entg to people looking to find ways out of wageslaving. I've seen others shilling entg in other threads. Thought I was the only one. Maybe we will bring biz back again.

Anyone here do those cheesy af info products? I can't believe people still pay thousands for them.

>>11613826
Hey you noticed my shills :,)

>>11613826
They really should do away with crypto and contain it elsewhere. There's nothing /biz/ about it if you're just talking moon missions and shitcoins with no foundation or product

>>11613875
Absolutely. Haven't been on this board since the mania. Was an biz oldfag before the vibe was a lot better back then. People actually selling things of value. The struggle, the networking and advice made for an inspiring atmosphere. Good to see the board going back on the right tracks

>>11613116
People complain about Ebay and Paypal fees, but always ignoring that the fees are (close to) flat. Even the big fish pay the same. Just a small difference in listing fees based on which store type they use, but the difference is tiny.

>>11611545
That's awesome man and it does help me. I have a somewhat similar method of selling/free offering for my future website. I'm glad to hear that it's taking off for you. Remember Jim rohm says there's no limit to how much you can earn. If you're doing better you can 2x or 5x or 10x even 20x etc. Your sales.

>>11613875
Amen

>>11613860
Yeah I was just in another thread and came to drop the "come to entg" line haha thanks bro
>>11614082
Yeah it's not really a big problem personally it's just a few anons have said it's not really worth selling unless you have like $200+ items to cover the costs and still profit.

>>11614559
Working trip damn it

>>11612871
Starting your own business.

>>11614584
Smh

>>11614601
Let see if I go it right >>11614564

Does anybody read premium newspapers ? I want to trade my Spotify subscription for something better , knowledge wise. Any recommendations ?

tempted to repost something i wrote in the last thread since it pruned early. But i figured most people read it anyway.

>>11614564
Do you think aspiring entrepreneurs should be out there hustling and flipping? That is one thing a lot of successful entrepreneurs have in common. They had a lemonade stand as kids, sold candy, they flipped sneakers or clothes, mowed lawns, even drugs. While I just enjoyed a comfy time playing video games and watching anime. Point is, my traits don't line up with what's required of success, at all.

So I did try the flipping thing. No luck. I went to Salvation Army and Goodwill, I checked out the rare garage sales I could find over the weekend. Really there was nothing worth flipping. I'd come across a DVD or videogame selling for $2-3 and it was never worth more than $3-$5, if you consider shipping and fees, that's just around break even. I have no idea what clothes are worth selling, and really almost everything that looked like a good brand, had stains on it, or were overpriced. The only thing I didn't do was checkout craigslist ads for shit. The best I could do was sell my valuables, I actually did very good with that, hell I think I have some 'talent' with marketing. I loved shooting pictures and writing detailed descriptions of my stuff including a little short sentence of why the thing I'm selling is worth your dollar.

Gary V has that whole thing about flipping and selling on ebay or amazon. How 'easy' it is to go to yardsales and get at least 3x from your finds. I didn't have much luck, but I admit I didn't grind hard enough. I believe I only committed to a half-measure, not half-assed. I feel like I SHOULD be trying harder, it's really easy if I could just find and know the value of things. I just need a better source/item value detector. Or maybe I should stay in my lan? Like flipping might just not be my or your thing?

>>11614941
One word: Research.

There are a lot of things to flip, but not everything is worth a flip.

On another note correlation≠causation. Just because most entrepreneurs flipped in their early stages doesn't mean that's the ONLY kind of mentality that leads to it. But it's a mentality synonymous with success. They get a taste of the action, they want more, they go get more. But don't put yourself down because you're not a selling prodigy.

Flipping might not be your thing, anon. But that doesn't mean you don't have a thing that could take you to where you want to be.

>>11614941
I wasn't a hustler at all since I started my wagie job 2 years ago. I also dabbled in reselling and eBay thrifting and got super hyped about it wanting to do it as my job. I honestly love every aspect of it, even the listing and customer service. I found some great stuff but people still didn't want to buy it. I made my money back though.
I think that mindset can be learned although the ones always hustling will probably make it and be richer than the average wagie doing it on the side. But I've heard of people waging all their lives and eventually their side hustle becomes their own business so it's not impossible. Something just has to click. Even these guys have niches though. New York thrifter has a good niche, there's guys who know cars and go to junkyard and scalp parts to resell. Some do it all by accumulating as much junk as possible like rockstarflipper. You just have to find your groove or move on and find something else. It's about doing what works for you. I've had a wagie mindset since like 2 years ago and started saving and budgeting so it just clicks sometimes.

Bump from page 6.

>>11614941
Write it or copy it again ! I know I’ll for sure read it twice !

>>11615013
This. I flipped 20 bucks to 60 one time at a garage sale and in total have made 500 not bad for not much effort in my city

Testing trip

>>11614817
why is my trip different reeeeeeee

Test

Wow Just one space in my last trip word I’m so dumb

bump

Well boys it might be do or die time.
Just had a serious spat with my boss wasn't yelling but I was pissed because he's been dumping a bunch of work on me that isn't even my job. I went to tell management and he tried to save face by ordering me to go away and he'll take care of it. Basically tried to call security on me. I'm one of the only people actually doing their job and now I just feel like I need to find another one. Might neet it up for the holidays and really get serious about this 3D printing stuff. I at least have a whole month before I gave to pay rent again. Pretty pissed.

>>11616063
Lol

>>11614817

Not sure actually I've always considered news a MASSIVE distraction.

I am also curious as I wouldn't mind reading decent case studies and not business promotions disguised as journalism which I expect it would be

>>11616629
The solution is simple: If you work more you get paid more. If they disagree, tough shit; they can hire another person and pay extra wages, benefits, and taxes to do that extra work. If they fire you, you pass go, collect $200, and sue the company for unemployment.

>>11616916
I started another thread on this new paper thing
>>11613896
and WSJ is the best all around an anon said so I'm gonna give them a try

>>11616925
That's what id like to believe. But I've talked to the people who supposedly are the labor department here in CA and they say to just quit. My coworker gave me the number to a higher up boss. I'll give him a call but calling security on me like wtf because I want to make the rest of my money that I came to work for? It's fucked up. Maybe I'll just do postmates for awhile or something. The fucking dollarstore is paying more down the street.

>>11612688
In a similar situation, anyone ever tried marketing to local businesses? Outside of local meetups, cold calling, is there a consistent way to get clients?

>>11617532
Direct mail my man.

There's nothing more interesting than getting a hand-written pink envelope saying "Urgent" on it, opening it, and getting a nicely written sales letter asking for a call.

IIRC (I'm not American), USPS allows for targeted direct mail for specific area codes?

>>11617579
Not American either, can probably find targeted mail alternatives. Shouldn't online work better though? Or is the online space extremely crowded so the time the client gets to see your mail makes it worth it, especially being smaller.

>>11617781
It's much more difficult to grab people's attention online. But when you get something wacky (lumpy mail!), it's like "hey this is interesting!"

Also shorter attention spans.

Bump from page 3.

Here's a piece of copy I wrote a long while ago, a FB ad promoting a Keto diet.

>>11618042
Yea, that's something my mother would click on. For better or for worse I suppose.

>>11618080
Yep. It blows my mind how many companies think they're "better" for not advertising their stuff properly, and then act confused when you point out they're bleeding money, and would be better off NOT running a business because their finances are only getting worse.

There's a point where the plug needs pulled, and people refuse to do that. Attachment issues, I suppose.

>>11613851
...yes

>>11616629
lmao imagine if you werent dumb and opened that blood bank last week

>>11618249
alright, so it's the first time I even hear about this kind of stuff. Mind if I ask you some questions?

>>11618249
Wanna get in touch, find something mutually agreeable?

>>11618042
I feel like that's just begging for a lawsuit from the FDA.

>>11618542
What makes you think that?

>>11618583
Marketing it (whatever it is, not reading the thread) as a treatment for heart attacks is really dangerous. All those snake oil diet supplements you see on television have a ton of disclaimers like "results not typical", etc. And those are only marketed for things like weight loss and test taking abilities, not life threatening conditions. You're really asking for legal trouble.

And that's not even getting into the separate ethical issue of you scamming people.

>>11618685
Yeah see thing is... this isn't a supplement or a drug. It's a fancy "Biblical" keto diet.

Scam? I don't know, I've seen some good stuff about keto, can't really comment yet, as I'm slowly switching to it right now, see if it helps my migraines.

I'd agree with you if we were selling consumables, but this is just a book. Kinda difficult to call the FDA about someone recommending a book with a personal story.

>>11618685
I was going to say the same thing but >>11618719 is right. If it's just random info you found on the internet I don't think there's much you can do. It is sleazy I think but if it's an anecdote or opinion the responsibility is on the consumer. Targeting senile boomers for health stuff is not nice though just my opinion.
>>11618260
Are you that fucking jew troll from 3 threads ago?

>>11618785
>Targeting senile boomers for health stuff is not nice though just my opinion.
Generally I'd agree, but the reality is, sometimes you need money, and doing some ads like that is indeed pretty lucrative.

Ethical? Meh. As long as everything's laid out and it isn't lying or misleading, I'm fine with it.

Don't want to get sued for false advertising.

>>11618417
Yeah but it costs money to ask me questions
>>11618439
Depends how rich you are and if you are White or not.

>>11618785
I'm not a jew you fucking asshole and for the record I got banned for 1 week from that thread LMAO

>>11619098
>Depends how rich you are and if you are White or not.
Nah. Not interested anymore. You're asking the wrong questions.

>>11619126
Thats fine I was never interested in helping you dude.
I charge more money than you can afford.
I'm asking the right questions you're just the wrong color, bro.

>>11619161
>never interested in helping you dude
>implying I wanted to ask for (or need) help
>implying you're not insecure about your genetics
Might want to see a shrink about that.
And no, you're still asking the wrong questions.

>>11619187
I never asked you a question beyond your skin color.
I'm not insecure friend, in fact if anything I'm kind of ashamed I tan a bit. If I were whiter I'd be a bit more secure.
Don't flame up the thread okay sweetie some of us White men actually don't care about your shitskin opinions.

The instant invite is invalid or has expired.

>>11619241
Disregard that. I suck cocks.

>>11619248
Damn this thread is just full of winners.
People so malfunctional and selfharming they declare they engage in homosexual fellatio and 90% of the "trip-codes" ITT has "Fag/faggot" in their name...
Really in a winner's circle here.
Whats the next move, faggots?

>>11619210
What lol

>>11619269
just ignore, he's the troll from 2-3 threads ago.

>>11619263
We appreciate that complement bro , you’ll get their one day !!

>>11619269
>his name is young poor fag
original and creative!
some might even dare to call you quirky!

>>11619283
>you’ll get their one
Thanks, Shakespeare!

>>11619280
Shut up Henri you hapa faggot

So is the game plan still to sweep the parking lot at the local dump?

>>11619280
>2-3 threads ago
...cant even remember how long it's been!
PATHETIC.

thanks for keeping us bumped. I can go to sleep in peace while keeping you filtered :)

>>11619327
hahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahhaha WOW

>>11619284
Wait we actually got you banned last time LMAOOOOOOOIOOOOOO. I guess time for round 2 ?

>>11619339
The mod banned me after I emailed him. Huge faggot I would personally shoot him in the face if I saw him in real life just for a prank.

>>11619358
Funny thing is now that he emailed me I know his full name HAHAHA

>>11619187
Oh lord he's back again. Please ignore him and just report. He will fucking reply to your every post and shit on you and derail the thread. Don't know why this jew keeps coming back.

>>11619742
But jews ain't white bruh.
And thanks, will keep that in mind.

>>11619747
No they aint white. If they came out as a race (which they are) then they couldn't blend in with the white goyim and use them as a shield. Cancer on this earth and now to our nice thread. He will reply to every post, If that doesn't work he will switch tactics and ask questions, he will bait and it will be hard to resist. His reaction images are all over the place so its easy to spot his posting style.

>>11619785
It's genuinely hilarious you think Im jewish.

>>11619742
I literally came back to ask you why you didn't open up the blood harvesting bank business.

>>11619828
You need to start taking your meds again anon

>>11620075
Do you somehow doubt the profit margins of the blood bank industry?
They literally pay people for plasma and blood, they even pay you extra depending on your blood type.
How much money do they net if they are literally willing to pay the junkie lowlifes who donate plasma and blood every week at the "clinic".
I bet you 1 pint of blood is worth more per ounce than gold.

This general is by far the best thread on /biz/

I hope it doesn't degenerate like the /rgt/-/smg/ threads did.

>>11620126
Yeah what’s he exact economics of blood banks? Like do they sell them to the government at higher premium?

>>11620182
Israel spends at least 1% of their GDP importing blood from the West.
Just open up a blood bank, talk to your local rabbi, get a quote, and you can send some McBlood to the McState of McIsrael for McProfit.

>>11620207
Lmao aid infested blood eh. Seems like they want to get cucked

Just dont ask any funny McQuestions about what they Mcfucking do with the Mcfucking Blood *coughs*

How much capital do I need to start freelancing my accounting services? I am in the process of getting my CPA and I have experience in month end closing, financial statement preparation and reconciliations.

According to the business website,an S corp works best.

>>11620326
Kek why would you need your own money to bookkeep for someone elses financing

>>11620326
one would hope one's own accountant would know which business structure would be correct for a service based business... go with an LLC.

>>11620326
Not sure what the legal requirements are for accountants where you are, but you might want to look into being an independent contractor or consultant; might work out better than starting a company.

>>11620422
This.

I work for a large ecom company that does over 35 mil a year on amazon, can anyone shill me some high volume product that i can translate to a decent profit margin. We can get aprtnerships with any company the hard thing is finding the good ones with good pricing. Ask me questions about how the business runs.

>>11620174
We'll do our best. It's only a matter of time before successful anons start to appear.

>>11607809
pull data from waze?/?

>>11621056
>>11621056
Body bags.
Tomb stones.
Grave digging equipment.
Ask me questions about how the business runs.

>>11621056
i am starting my own e commerce company

tell me everything

>>11621348
How does the buiness run? What do you do ? Product hunt ?

>>11621384
I build tombs for people to go into when they are dead.
I don't actually consider it a business it's mostly a hobby.
Long hours, very taxing labor, high costs low margins.

>>11621394
Explain it to me like I’m 5

>>11621376
Build a nice website along with being on ever platform you can sell on (eBay Amazon Google wish etc). Start by sniping items on eBay and selling on Amazon make sure you account all fees and shipping. Build your Amazon and website to look as nice as possible and start reaching out to companies to buy direct and sign up with distros and research their products to see if you can make a buck

>>11621422
Dig a hole build a temple around the hole, make some slots into the sides of the walls inside the temple about 7 x 4 ' and then invite people to sleep in your burial chambers forever for like some type of payment in currency or like maybe they can pay you in candy or puppies of various breeds.

>>11621490
Damn so like Egyptians

>>11621510
Yeah I mean I'm not building a pyramid or anything but its totally a great idea if you think your death is worth it ;)

>>11620174
Uh oh what happened to those threads so we can avoid it?
>>11621115
Most of the anons coming here now sound like they are already successful with their online businesses.
>>11621510
You love this troll lol at least he is keeping the thread bumped.

>>11621750
I'm not even trolling I'll build you a tomb for a low fee.
You don't even have to pay rent hahahaha

>>11621750
3:20am bamp at page 9. Y I K E S

Personal, good news, I may have found my niche, i'm about to unload my ideas into my docs like a week of nofap cumshot.

I figure I can make about one unit of my product per week and sell them each at $10k for 40% profit. Am I going to make it?

Bedtime bump. And fellas... most importantly


We're all gonna make it!!!!

Question, /entg/, how would you price a limited series of 50 rare pepes, say 15x15cm, etched on pure gold and titanium ?

>>11623250
The ability to appreciate pepes is inversely correlated with wealth. You might have some trouble finding a buyer.

>>11623271
Generally, who would actually buy pictures (maybe on-demand) etched on precious metals ? How would anyone price that ?

>>11607179
I love neural networks and Final Solutions so this sounds great

>>11623431
heh, you caught that one ey? But yea neural networks are pretty awesome.

oh woah its actually up

>>11621750
>You love this troll lol
well everybody has something to offer, be it negative(we get more bumps) or be it positive (we share our knowledge)

>>11621520
What is the cost to do this? it would be a hefty price to do this, wouldn't it? digging equipment metal box toys and stuff. what logistical cost do you run into? land wise what do you do? Do you dig them in a land you own? because if they are going to buy their own land you would have to charge an insane amount? due to property taxes?

>>11622832
great to hear bro! how do you find a niche? for future anon that wants to do affiliate marketing. did you go in Google search trends, something you love, or did you pick it out of a hat?

>>11623271
this, unless your market is crypto neet millionaires

>>11623290
spot price + your premium

>>11623726
>spot price + your premium
Si if I manufacture it, that would be manufacturing costs + my premium, right ?

>>11623744
well, manufacturing would be part of your premium, if you are planning on using precious metal you're subjected to volatile price changes. so you would have to see what manufacturing cost are so you can make the most profit on your premium

>>11623766
Basically I would be doing the etching and patterning, but on the other hand the precious metal deposition would be done by a third party at a fixed cost.

>>11623788
so you would just buy the metal piece and you take care of the rest of the product until you hand it off to the 3rd party? why not use UPS? that how apmex delivers

>>11623817
I get a support, hand it out to a third party for precious metal deposition, I pattern then etch it, package it (I'm thinking about a offering a choice in nice frames from a local frame shop) and then send it trough UPS or any alternative.

>>11623843
alright sounds solid so far but to answer your question yes. any chance you'll do silver?

>>11623877
Silver, platinum, gold, copper, titanium and a handful of weirder materials, yes. Depends on the color needed.

>>11623890
id be down to buy a silver pepe

>>11623893
I'll first make a prototype version, I'll post here once it's done. I need a few supplies and a frame, of course.

Bump from 7

bumpeo from 6

>>11624349
>>11624644
Maybe throw some content in instead of just bumping?

What's the purpose of a thread without a conversation?

>>11624747
Your right ! Let me think of some for next bump

I got one ,it’s a lottery question , do lottery already have the jackpot money or do they fund the jackpot with money from ticket sales

>>11624747
This is actually good practice. We should try to bring value in a bump. Perhaps a personal goal reach a plan of action. Practice a sales pitch. A post from a forum. I will say though, if it's about to be on the last page, bump that ho. Speaking of. To anyone like me interested in online marketing this is a great post full of info to start. https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/checklist-how-to-start-a-digital-marketing-agency-hit-5k-in-less-than-90-days.83453/

>>11624836
Already have it surely

>>11624836
They have a (small) fund that's prizes, and the jackpot is little more than a promotion meant to drive more sales, as I understand it.

How often does anyone win the jackpot?

How many sales do they need to hit that number? (protip: not that many)

And it's not like ticket sales slow down at any point.

At least as I understand the business model - I'm NOT an authority or knowledgable. This is guesswork.

>>11623726
>how do you find a niche? for future anon that wants to do affiliate marketing. did you go in Google search trends, something you love, or did you pick it out of a hat?

well let me not get ahead of myself, this is all new to me too haha. I'm still at stage 1, writing down some ideas for my niche. Then I'm gonna write down some content for the website. Then wordpress/domain/launch yaddayadda. Basically the wheels are turning but i haven't gotten anywhere yet.

So, a niche. Firstly, YouTube. I was getting a bit frustrated finding a niche so i just typed it in youtube to see some ideas. And thankfully they let you 2x speed on videos. This is a godsend for verbose influencers. This first video, already helped a ton. Niche combos, they let you take an angle, that only you can fulfill. Obviously you can translate that to a non-video niche too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgb_9XGm56Y
This handsome looking douchebag helped a bit too. Just another way to see how other people are doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl9oE6Azkj0

Scour this website, it was recommended by the other link I posted. Chock full of info. It has a topic on niche's https://www.quicksprout.com/blog/

Anyway my niche kind of relates to my job. I see several problems in my industry. Since it's a bit boring and depressing to think about my job why not make it more interesting. I think I can write articles or share pictures and find solutions related to my job. And link the occasional amazon affiliate item. My thing is, even if this doesn't do anything, if I can build a rapport and community with my audience, this is the gold. Then I can still find a way to sell to them, beyond relying on amazon affiliate links. But let me not get too far ahead of myself. I still need to build the damn website.

>>11624968
Reading...

>most people DON'T ACTUALLY EXECUTE!
100% true, which is why any agency at all is still relevant.

>Hitting $5K in under 90 days is totally doable.
Legit. I hit $5k in first two weeks of getting into freelancing without any other source of income.

Admittedly, I'd been doing it as a side-gig beforehand, but it's still 100% doable.

>You can even hire salespeople or a sales company later on and scale it infinitely.

No, infinite scaling isn't a thing, unless you can turn EVERYTHING into systems.

As long as there's a human element involved, there's caps. Difficult to hit caps, yes, but caps nonetheless.

Personally I'd wager around $100k/ employee is a reasonable cap to assume.

>You can get started for less than $300
If you do the starting work yourself, you only need a domain name, which is like $10, and a phone number, which you can get free with Google Voice if you're in the US.

>Large profit margin - you literally set the prices
Same applies to all other services... but the thing is, you need a STRONG sales guy to actually close those $50k for a brochure website deals.

>UpWork.com
Hire pajeets to do work. Yeah, no. THIS IS WHY DIGITAL MARKETING AGENCIES ARE CONSIDERED CANCER REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Overall, it's not a bad plan, but it skips over some elements, such as "how do I actually sell people", and "justifying higher rates".

And most importantly, he mentions accounting precisely zero times.

Running a business is far more complex than this guy says.

>>11625070
whoa thank you for that man. Yeah I wouldn't follow that information to a T. But it gave me enough information to not be so intimidated. I don't even care about makin money at this point, in x time, sure a few sheckles. But I've been surviving week to week as a wagie for 8 years. At least this time I have some hope. You guys are helpin an anon out for real.

>>11606989
Looking for someone who can code an app that uses the camera part of the phone as a motion detector. Throwaway email is waja1996@gmail.com

>>11625104
Software/machine learning guy here.
What do you think of when you say "motion detector" ? Cause that can range from EZPZ to pretty hard.

>>11625104
Pretty sure it exists already, search the app store.

is dropshipping even considerable at this point? seems oversaturated.

how can i work as little as possible to barely be able to pay bills? I dont want a lot anyway.

>>11621750

All the good posters left, no one actually talks about stocks or investing anymore. Just a bunch of shitposting weabs and trolls trying to lead other anons into losing money

It’s a cesspool now. I’m afraid the same will happen to these threads if they become popular enough

>>11623890
Why pepes specifically? It sounds like you could just etch whatever people ask for. Unless you have some rich 4chan autists lined up lol. I would personally buy a pepe, I mean the pepe plush was super popular. Wish I could have nabbed one. Id buy an etched wojak or a smug pepe.
>>11623726
I think he left, but im sure he'll be back. Your right at least we get bumped lol.

>>11625570
That sounds really shitty. Fortunatley i think youngpoorfag has mentioned a forum in the works?
I actually have a question. Isn't it possible to make a board on eigh tchan? Visited the eightch@n biz board and it's incredibly dead. Only a small handful of boards there are constantly active. If we move there, there's a possibility we wouldn't be bothered for a long time. I'm not super familiar with it outside of lurking 8pol for news.

>>11624988
>>11624969
thanks, it's something that popped into my head, I'll do some more research later today.

>>11625066
>nieche
isn't it pronounced niche, emphasis on the NI -chi

>>11625794
yeah it coming before EOY

>>11625739
that fucking suck, hopefully when we all /made it/ we can still be united by this 4chan.
>>11625794
but I don't think we should leave 4chan completely though. We found each other here, we can find more people who are genuinely interested the other forum can be more in-depth and technical maybe.

>>11625739
>Why pepes specifically? It sounds like you could just etch whatever people ask for. Unless you have some rich 4chan autists lined up lol. I would personally buy a pepe, I mean the pepe plush was super popular. Wish I could have nabbed one. Id buy an etched wojak or a smug pepe.
Nah I can etch what the fuck I want, I was considering a pepe as a prototype because it's easy enough, and recognizable on 4chan. My gf is a pretty good drawer, and I can etch anything that is sent to me. My only limitation would be the dimensions, I can't go beyond 15x15cm.

hey dudes brainlet here, can someone answer a simple question?
lets say I make a website and write a story on it, and have ads for shit I mention in the story, like a shill

is this what affiliate marketing is about in short?

bump info:
https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com
entrepeneur level:100

>>11605027
I've been getting into coding, started with Python 3 months ago.

I decided that I want to make a browser turn-based multiplayer game, eventually going to make a phone app for it too, as it both gives me an opportunity for a side income and also new coding experience I need without having to do projects I am not interested in.

What would I need for it? Is there any programming anon? Just pointing me in the right direction would be great.

So far from what I've gathered, backend could be made in Django and frontend in css and javascript.
Is that true?
Bear in mind I have no real experience and I will be learning everything from a scratch. I have a lot of time on my hands though. Is it possible to make by myself?

>>11626584
naruto-arena?

>>11626620
it's inspired by it, but it's not naruto-themed

but the same fighting system

how would you guess?

>>11626631
saw your thread on /g/

>>11626659
Ah I see. Cool coincidence.

Were you one of the replies there?

>>11626722
not really.

my advice is if you want to make a really good browser game, you can install Unity, develop it there, and then export the game to WebGL, so it can run on browsers.

The possibilities are endless.

btw, you can check the Amateur game dev general on /vg/

https://4chan.org/vg/agdg

>>11626722
>>11626746
if we talkin bout games imma just leave this beauty here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYGYIRUrRV0

Nice thread. Affiliate marketer here so I thought I might contribute a tiny bit. It's easy. Get a domain name with a .com tld so it seems legit. Come up with some bullshit to blog about. Could be sports or movies, basically any normie stuff. Make a few posts, let it age for a few days then use this to apply to some affiliate programs. Try Amazon, eBay, Alibaba, whatever.
When you get accepted and get your campaign id, start making sites. Go to namecheap where domain names are less than $1 for .trade, .club, .biz and shit like that. Get some cheap VPS hosting like Linode which charges like $5 a month for the basic tier. You can pack hundreds of sites on the VPS if they're thin enough, i.e., not wordpress.
When you have all that, look for some content you can steal. Doesn't matter where it comes from as it'll fly for a few months no matter what before you get de-indexed from Google. The key is volume. Make a bunch of sites and put your affiliate links in them. The affiliate links should be attached to something a user is likely to click in and want to buy. So a auto parts site should have pics of alternators and shit which when clicked lead to Amazon or wherever.
The key is automate the shit out of this and get paid. Takes about 2 or 3 months for the money to start rolling in but when it does you'll thank me.
Here's a link to a thread I OP'd a year or two ago right here on /biz/. I'm still getting paid doing the exact same thing.
http://archive.is/ytGp7

>>11627284
do you write about one specific thing like movies and market that shit, or a bit of this and a bit of that?

>>11627284
how much do you make? at the start and now?

>>11627284
DAMN THIS IS NICE BROO THANKS FOR SHARING. I MIGHT JUST DO THIS FOR A SIDE GIG. Time to break out my python skills

I might take the plunge and purchase ATMs. They seem like a good source of passive income

>>11627334
The very first blog I made was about sports but after that, I just make blogs based on whatever is selling. Could be John Deer tractors, or R/C motors or airplane propellers. Whatever brings home the bacon.
>>11627345
My first affiliate money was $1.62 about 2 months in. Now if I make less than 50k a months I'm mad.
>>11627407
I do about everything for the affiliate stuff in Python and selenium. It's beautiful. For the record doing this with volume pretty much requires programming for the automation stuff. It's a non-starter without that. If one were to try to make actual legitimate quality sites, that could be a different story but I wouldn't know anything about that haha.

>>11627284
link is dead for me

>>11627495
Here you go. This one actually has more content as the archive link was a little before pruning.
>>/biz/thread/1835678

>>11627284
Seriously youre a cool dude. Thanks for the info. Gettin capped.

>>11627513
hmm, nice. I'm currently building a pergola in my backyard. Can I affiliate stuff with /diy/ related things?

>>11627483
how good were you with web dev and programming when you started?

Looking into right now but does anyone have advice on how to run and instagram bot like crystal guy was talking about? I'm looking on within rn but I'm really new to this stuff. Any links to info setting it up would be great.
Also will probably fix up all my caps and post a link for anons if this thread is still up. Thanks again guys for contributing to the real biz!

>>11627607
pic related

>>11627483
haha nice and I'm pretty good with selenium and python, so you web scrape popular home lifestyle sites or something for your website? and post them on resource light website you made?

>>11627600
we finally got that one successful dude that one anon was looking for , lmao

how do you even go about buying an ATM or batting cages? Both those sound like great ideas, but ATMs are everywhere and I've NEVER seen a batting cage for sale lmao

>>11627652
do you want to code it? if not there is multiple services that offer instagram bots
https://gramista.com/
thats one of them

>>11627607
>diy?
For some reason, diy is one of the hottest ecommerce categories that nobody seems to know about. If that's your thing then you're a shoe-in and should definitely start there.
>>11627624
>programming?
I had about 10 years experience building sites, Android apps, sys-admin stuff, you name it. But don't let that discourage you if you don't know a variable from a loop. With affiliate marketing, the key is to perfect your system and everybody's system is different. Do it all by hand at first and find something that works and by works I mean it costs a dollar a month and makes $1.10. Find that and then scale it with automation. The hard part is the system. Programming is relatively easy.
When you find what works for you and you're like, "I could make $$x1000 if I could automate it" then you know you're ready and most importantly you'll know exactly what you need to automate. As far as technologies you'll probably find Python useful to glue everything together. If you go wordpress you should learn some PHP. Also a passing familiarity with Html/css/javascript will be good. Python first though and you'll get it down in a couple of months in parallel with working out your system. After you learn Python, PHP etc. is a walk in the park as you're just taking what you already know and translating it to a new syntax.
>>11627705
>scrape and post
Yeah, pretty much. If you want to get fancy, you can spin the content with Markov chains or whatever but in my experience it doesn't matter. Google is nowhere NEAR as smart as their marketing and fanboys claim so you'll fly under the radar for a few months and after that it doesn't matter as the money is already made.

>>11627752
I pretty much live and breathe /diy/ lmao guess I'll look into that.

>>11627752
so for the websites do you just use Jekyll to make a random website with a picture and some rods and your affiliate? or individually make each website?

>>11627656
that's one sturdy pergola you got going their bud

>>11627790
ty fren i builded it stronk like grug rock-clan.

>>11605248
Where do you find copywriting clients? What kind of work do you do mostly?

>>11627656
Looks awesome man. Is that your doggo at the bottom?
>>11627775
>site building minutia
I used to use wordpress but ended up making my own framework that just does exactly what I need no more and no less. That way I can host it much more cheaply. When you do this a while you'll get a feel for what matters and if you have the ability you can streamline everything for an exact fit. As far as exact site content, I don't want to go too deep cuz we all need to do this a little differently so we can all win but it has images, ads, and lots of text to attract Google. You gotta have something on there Google can read and say "yep, this is a site about Ugg boots and searchers should definitely come here". The pics are mostly for the human visitors like "Oh cool those boots are fresh!" *click*

>>11607038

It's kind of simplistic and maybe even bland but I make it a simple point to get better any amount that the previous day. Financial, physical, mental, social, spiritual etc health wise. I simply believe as long as you're committed to be better than before and hold yourself to it.

Probably sounds stupid but it's always worked for me, it's just something to tell myself everyday and helps me more

>>11627858
>Where do you find copywriting clients?

Networking and outbound (cold-mail -> phone or linkedin -> email -> phone).

I got a few contracts off upwork, but frankly, it's not worth it - it's so much easier to get work when you can pin-point target your desired clients.

>What kind of work do you do mostly?

Mostly social media copy and some emails recently, moving more into sales letter territory over the next few months.

>>11627873
Thanks bro, sounds so easy and simple I guess you just have to have motivation to actually do this. hope to see you here more often!!

>>11627887
What kind of businesses are the most receptive to pitches?

>>11627873
that is yea. I got 2 doggos and 3 cattos. they're all adorable. Gotta keep them out of the dirt pile though until it's done; that's been a pain.

>>11627887
I found one LLC I was interested in cold-calling. Turns out the owner lives right down the street from me. You don't think it'd be weird if I show up at his doorstep with food/drinks do ya?

>>11627923
Yeah that would be pretty weird.

Take them out for coffee?

>>11627887
how did you get into copywriting? I can write and would like to make money off of it but have no clue how to start

affiliate marketing looks good but I'm a brainlet with computers and Id have to learn code

>>11627949
>how did you get into copywriting?
Long story, and it's so unique I'd need to dox myself.
Not doing that.

>have no clue how to start
Read Dan Kennedy's "Ultimate Sales Letter" and Grant Cardone's "Sell or be Sold".

Those are starting points, mind you - there's no stopping once you're on the copy train.

>affiliate marketing looks good but I'm a brainlet with computers and Id have to learn code
You can very successfully do affiliate by just running a newsletter. All you need to do is get names (usually with a freebie on the topic you'll be covering), and then send daily emails that educate, entertain and engage your audience.

And then... "Here's one of my buddies, you might want to consider his offer, it's really good!"

>>11627736
I know nothing about coding. Basically Google searched instagram bots free on github and came up with a few. Thanks for the link I'll check it out. Now just working on my handle logo. Very simple will put on the back of the shirts. I really want to build this up now that I've been suspended from my wagie job. If I can at least get 60 potential buyers like favela anon said id be golden. That means I need like 6k followers at least.

>>11628005
YOU GOT SUSPENDED UNDER WHAT PRETENSE

>>11626570
fuck ive never worn kswiss before but i legitimately do want to try em out. Those look pretty good. I'm more if a Nike dude tho, I just hate super busy designs.

But yeah despite what people think about Gary V, he got me motivated pretty good. Damn good salesman too.

bumping from page 6.
>>11627752
You know any good affiliates with /diy/ related things? I'm thinking home depot + lowes is obvious, amazon has a lotta home stuffs too so that's easy. I can easily sell my own stuffs I made too (thinking about getting into making tables). What about more on the electrical side though? I could imagine adafruit working with affiliates, but not companies like micron or texas instruments though.

I could imagine software affiliates are pretty saturated too and most of it's already open source.

>>11627284
what skills do you need, do you need programming experience? I'm still at stage 1 my one idea is shoddy but I'm willing to do this, at least i'd be taking action

>When you have all that, look for some content you can steal. Doesn't matter where it comes from as it'll fly for a few months no matter what before you get de-indexed from Google. The key is volume. Make a bunch of sites and put your affiliate links in them. The affiliate links should be attached to something a user is likely to click in and want to buy. So a auto parts site should have pics of alternators and shit which when clicked lead to Amazon or wherever.
could amazon or some other site ban you for this it seems like something bannable?

>>11628483
>programs to join
I usually stick with the big boys like eBay, Amazon, that ilk as they have everything and when one niche gets played out, there are plenty of options for the next one. If you want a good source for smaller operations to partner with though, I'd suggest checking out http://shareasale.com/ You can look for diy type sites and apply right on the spot. Guaranteed you'll find something.
>>11628534
>bannable content
I can only speak from personal experience but I have been using 100% scraped content for years and have never once had a problem with any affiliate program and I know for a fact some of my sites have been manually reviewed. If there's something they don't like, it'll be explicitly spelled out in their TOS. Think stuff like misrepresenting yourself like claiming you actually are eBay or Amazon or even implying that is the case. Or even worse, something blatantly illegal like cookie stuffing. That will get you banned in a heartbeat and possibly legally liable. Again, speaking for me, I do a ton of grey hat stuff like cloaking, scraping content, etc. but I never do anything that violates criminal law or violates the TOS of whoever I'm an affiliate for. Occasionally I get a nastygram from somebody complaining about one of sites, maybe the URL is too similar or whatever. No problem, I immediately take the site down and move on. I've never received anything regarding copyrighted content but bear in mind due to my business model my sites tend to be ephemeral. If I had an operation going where sites were up for years and really started ranking high for big traffic keywords, that would probably get some attention but as it is, I've never had a problem.

>>11628090
I told my boss off, was really pissed and ending up saying fuck you as I was told to leave. Wasn't even yelling. He called and left a voicemail said I was suspended and not to come in on monday. Of course HR won't return my calls, but he was able to talk to them directly. Fucking disgrace. I get off work at 12 noon. For 17 hours no one cleaned up a huge mess. Everyone saw it and not one person did thier job. They left it for me to clean up at 7am the next day. It had to be moved. Boss heard about it and didn't send any help. Went to tell management since it's happened 3 times already and I refused to do what he told me. I'm not a fucking dog. He knew id get him in trouble because he just sits on his ass and does nothing.
Anyway sorry for blogpost. I now fully understand the wage memes. They sit up top and treat you like a slave with no dignity and give you a pittance.

>>11628534
>skills
Missed this the first read through. At first the only skill you need is the ability to get a web site up and running. You can use wordpress or whatever and sign up with a shared host to put it on. You don't even need programming experience at first since with wordpress you can just type your content in using the editor. The key in the beginning is find something that works and makes a little money. When you figure that out, you'll know what aspect of the operation needs to scale which will naturally suggest what kind of programming you'll need to learn. Most likely you'll find Python, PHP, and web stuff useful. But don't get hung up on that. Focus your efforts on getting a website up, getting accepted into your affiliate program of choice and getting your links on your site so people have something to click on. You can even write your own content at first. Just ease into the whole thing. When you start getting them $$, you'll have a clue what's next.

>>11628749
>>11628678
hey anon this is a godsend, and I appreciate this. i'm going to read and research on this right now, and have some questions. Will you be appearing in the next thread? I'll not waste your time with inane questions of course.

>>11628811
No problem at all man. I've made lots of money over the years in AM and crypto from the occasional nugget a fellow biztard throws out so I don't mind giving back. I'll be around.

do you guys all make these sites stricly speaking about the shit that you want to shill for AM or has anyone make like a mix of personal blog with AM shilling? like writing about your life, hobbies, what you do etc and shilling more subtly

like telling a story. thoughts?

>>11628914
I think anything goes mostly. It started out as sharing ideas and personal struggles to make it, it seems more anons have joined who are more successful and business oriented. We absolutely appreciate the free share of info and of course life and business advice should be welcome. I've vented here lol so i personally don't mind if anyone else does. Haven't had too many shills thank goodness. Don't want pajeets scamming and shiieeet.

>>11629047
not threads, I mean sites, like blogs. I meant, is the blog you make stricltly about some bullshit like auto parts, or has anyone made a personal blog, about his life and struggles, with subtle shilling in it and still make it affiliate marketing

>>11629081
Oops sorry, reading comprehension lol.
Honestly the examples you provided seem fine. Literally anything goes blog wise I'm sure. I was just on a rideshare website/blog and those guys shill affiliate links, write about their experiences, shill merch etc.

>>11628914
>a mix of personal blog
What are you wearing right now
what does ur undies smell like?

>>11629245
>website/blog and those guys shill affiliate links, write about their experiences, shill merch etc.
KNOWLEDGE

>>11628914
>content structure
My personality informs my perspective on this. I'm "min-maxer". People hated me when I played D&D and Pathfinder back in the day cuz all I wanted to do was create characters that would break the game. I didn't care about the storyline or what the objective was or the narrative, I just wanted a character that did maximum damage and had max survivability. If I was the rogue, I alway dual wield for maximum sneak attack. If not a rogue, I was an archer with an enchanted bow for maximum long range damage, etc. Never a bespoke "oh this is cool" character.
My approach to AM is exactly the same. I want traffic and I couldn't care less how many search "engineers" hate me for how I exploit their system to get it. That's what you live and die from. And Google is the source. My content matches as closely as possible what I think Google is looking for the day the site is put up. It might not make any sense at all to a person reading it but it has the exact mix of keyword, links, product description, etc. that maximizes the chances of Google putting me higher on the SERP page. And that's it.
As it stands, Google is stupid as fuck. It's just a machine, an algorithm. It does a statistical analysis of your content and decides what it "thinks" your content is about and matches that to the type of sites certain searched for keywords give the best metrics, i.e., lowest bounce rate. They measure other stuff too like responsive design, speed, etc. but we're talking content here. My sites have an insane bounce rate but I don't care cuz the people that click through more than make up for it. And when a site is toast, i.e., deindexed, I have a thousand more right behind it.
That works for me.

>>11629406
>People hated me when I played D&D

>>11629431
Yeah I know but it was the best example I thought of to get the point across. Goebbels would be disappoint.

>>11629406
what would be a realistic dollar numbers for someone just starting this, and learning along the way. saying we eat/sleep/shit AM as you say. Think I can maybe make 2-3k a mo if it falls into place? or less?

>>11629440
Honestly I was going to make fun of you but the rest of your micro blog post about baiting google into feeding you shekel charity is hilariously smart.
Not genius tier but thats what I expect from an autist who plays board games for nerds.

>>11629440
he's a troll btw, you can humor him but ultimately i recommend blocking, he tries to derail each thread, but ends up keeping us bumped

>>11629406
Hey I'm capping your posts for other anons, thanks for being so helpful to the guys here. Just informing you not to respond to the jew troll with the oyt purple id.

>>11629456

Good evening dr. Goebbels.

and we hit post limittttt

>>11629472
In what way am I trolling, genuine question...?
Opening a blood bank or a grave yard is a great financial investment/entrepreneurship.
If you fail to recognize this you are only trolling yourself.
I will bask in my blood bank graveyard employee break room counting shekels while you are donating blood to me and buying a grave plot.
Idiot.

>>11629455
I would also like to know this.

>>11629477
Yes, Mein Fuhrer, directly into the oven Mein Fuhrer, yes immediately.

>>11629475
duly noted
>>11629455
Since we hit post limit I'll go ahead and respond. A dotcom address needed to get accepted into most affiliate programs is about $10. Shared hosting that can handle probably 100 wordpress sites is less than $5 a month. TLD's like .trade, .club, .biz etc. are less than a dollar for a year. Total cost to put up 50 sites and see how it goes is less than $100. To keep them up for a year is less than $200. That's all you need to get started and see if you have what it takes.

>>11629482
Shit, read the question again.
Making 1k a month is easy as fuck. I mean you could have a 2 digit IQ and pull in 1k a month in AM.
2k is slightly harder but easily doable. 3k and beyond means you are actually creative, smart, and not just cookie cutting. If you want the real money, 10k+ then you have to be really smart.

>>11629502
what are the reqs for getting accepted into an A program?

Want me to BTFO your entire thread chain in 1 post?
Watch me "troll" and redundantify your entire collective brain storm with 1 keystroke.

>>11629528
you've been a treat, regardless this is still great info here >>11629502

I gotcha my man.

>>11629502
are any of your sites the bare minimum like pajeet tier looking? how much effort do you put into it?

is it more about the appearance or the exploitation of the algorithm like you said?

how do you go about knowing the keywords? do you literally write about anything out there? simply put hit the keyword jackspot? automated by your program?

>>11629502
Is your content just copy paste and put your affiliate links or do you modify it in anyway? Any ads? Thinking of testing this method and doing some legit sites.

>>11628846
This has been amazing advice. I have some experience building basic wordpress sites. My question is how do you get traffic to these sites? Do you regularly update sites with content?
Also, what exactly are you automating and how many active sites do you have at any given time?

>>11629528
Damn all I need is 1500 and I'd be able to not wage. So it takes like a few months to get it up and running basically? I'm interested now because if I can at least make 1000 a month I can focus on other stuff.

>>11629570
same even an extra 500/mo means i can eat and pay the rest of my bills 1500-2000 is my own car.

Abortion clinic owner
Uranium salesman
blood bank ceo
drug smuggling surgeon
Hitmen
Lobbyist
private prison
private prison hospital
private morgue
selling organs

Abortion
Bail
Circumcision
Advertising loans
Advertising food
Advertising medicine
Prostitution
Pornography
Advertising empty homes
Advertising medicine
Building jails
Building bombs
Killing animals
Making paper
Advertising legal assistance to crime
Advertising divorce
Advertising pre martial sex'
Private planes
Private islands
Closed borders
Mandatory tax
Subscription
Diplomatic immunity
Minimum wage
Maximum wage
Slavery
Incest
Advertising micengenation
Area of jurisdiction
Your honor
Advertising homosexuality
Advertising transexuality
Boys clubs
Girls clubs
Youth clubs
Advertising cuckoldry
Advertising porn
Advertising hentai
Advertising pedophilia

>>11629539
A blog hosted on a dotcom TLD. The blog needs to look real and have at least a few posts on it. Talk about some normie shit. I made mine about sports and I don't know crap about sports. I think one post was me rambling about Lebraun James or whatever his name is. I droned on about how the defense on his team sucks and they should trade some player. Completely generic crap with no basis in reality but enough to look real. When you apply for a program, they'll want to see your website and that's what you show them. Some programs will just accept you. I think Amazon may be set up that way now but you'll have to send them some sales pretty quick or they'll turn you off.
>>11629557
All of my sites are pajeet tier algorithmically generated trash. The CSS makes it look like a real blog and the structure makes sense but that's basically it. The rest is my scripts best guess of what Google is looking for.
>>11629559
Get traffic from backlink spamming services. Also check out pingomatic for whenever you make a new post. I think wordpress uses them automatically. I do regular updates but I have a script for that. The posts are premade and just show up when the time comes. I automate literally everything and I have thousands and thousands of sites.
>>11629570
You got it. AM is a very cheap way to make money. You just gotta find what works and beat the shit out of it.

Art critic
Fat people
Movie reviewer
Food critic
Journalist
Celebrity
Actor
Politician
Socialite
Serial killer
Rapist
Conformist
Social justice
Virtue signaling
Professional athlete
Venture capitalist
Business tycoon
Magnate
Travelling priest
Fellow'traveller'
Rock'star
Inheritance
Zionism'
Apartheid
Foreign aid
Trade agreements
Confidential trades
Insider trading
Arms deals
Military excercises'
Fireworks
Private studies
Fake news
Censored information
Human deals
Live human deals
Sold dads
Sold moms
Sold. Grandma s
Sold grandpa's
Sold mine

Sold my kids
Sold my
Veterans
Cigarette factories
Diaper factories
Condom factories
Advertising sugar
Coca cola factories
Selling water
Selling hygeine
Advertising illicit substances
Selling women
Marriage
Selling men
Her shoppig list
Selling sex
Selling virginity
Buying virginity
Buying non virginity
Rape support groups
Single mom support groups
Unprotected sex
Sex with strangers
Nnon disclosure of sexually active people infected with
Withdrawal
Depression
Relapse
Personal therapist
Doctor patient commission
Fractional debt banking
Banking
Fiat
Money
Sex tickets
Hell points
04/03/2017 2:13AM
gender reassignment surgeon
04/03/2017 9:32PM
heroin dealer
for profit abortion
non profit abortion
for profit lethal injection
non profit lethal injection
for profit fundraiser
lower regulation market
advertising war

>>11629596
i've got an assload of niches i know what to write about already, but not super expertise about it.

save your stuff for the next thread! don't be a stranger we gotta pay it back somehow

Anyone one of these lucrative industries you could capitalize but instead you want to 3D print kvetchy junk arts and crafts like a downsyndrome loser.

>Should I become a politician, CEO, open a bank, become an army general, buy a hospital, open up a university?
Nah dude lets fucking become a honorary serf.

>>11629596
are the AM programs for literally anything? would a city have ads that you can link on your site if you write about staying in that city for example?

New thread
>>11629673

>>11629629
how did you come up with this list?

>>11629682
I simply observe people and notice who is making the plays and exploiting the maximum amount of losers for their money.
If you want real money do yourself a favor and start sucking dick on wall street and sooner or later you will be inside your vacation home in the Hamptons.

>>11605082
Got the discord link copied and updated for next OP thread. Thanks