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get a job in a factory assembly line or as a rail road laborer. They can make 20+$ per hour and make you some nice connections in the biz to help you look for work in your field. Try to be real friendly to the top management.

>>11502687
why would i want to do that when i can get comfy night shift job and not have ti deal with NPCs?

i thought physics phds make money by scamming the taxpayers for government grants to "study" things and publish papers for "peer review" with all their other physics phd buddies

>>11502716
got sick of academia and teaching that i autistically raged in the staff room and told everyone to fuck off and die

prolly burnt all bridges

bunch of faggots anyway so idc

>>11502751
>definitely burned bridges
>spammed resume 3000 times can't get hired
You're blacklisted now. Time for a new career

>>11502668

Bachelors in (science) here.

Got my second continuing interview with the company board tomorrow.

Just keep trying, even restructure your resume if you have to.

Believe in yourself.

>>11502668
if you have a phd in physics and you can't figure out financial markets do you really have a phd in physics?

imagine trying to model to trajectory of a canon ball if some guy called keynes told you gravity was a function of an arbitrary index of consumer goods

>>11502668

didn't all the physics get solved in the 1920's? I mean sure, they maybe need 20 guys still working at CERN

look at crypto companies. they are hiring like shit.

>>11503234

also this.

>>11502668
>3000 CVs spams later, 8 months and still unemployed. Wondering if i should just dump the PhD altogether, Or would an 8 year long unemployment gap look weird? What types of jobs do NEETs normally get with no work history? I guess i would love a comfy night shift job like a gas station attendent, cleaner or security guard

My advice to you is same as advice I gave to litigator anon the other day who hated being a lawyer but felt stuck.

If you want to find a gig, best thing is to do informational interviews. Same things that made you good at physics, e.g. curiosity, analytical mind, will make you good at figuring out next step if you set up "find the next step in my career" as the problem and focus on solving it.

First thing to do is, forget the CV spamming. Hardly ever works. The way people get gigs is through relationships. Doesn't mean you have to be life of party guy. It means that, through alumni network, friends, whatever, you start meeting people from physics world and ask them about what they are doing and what seem like good opportunities.

Like other anon said, there are plenty of physics types working in crypto, finance other areas that respect analytics/problem solving skills. Start reaching out to people by email "hey anon, I know we haven't met but I'm hoping you can help out a fellow physics alum from [name of university] I see you transitioned into working in finance. I'm exploring transitioning in to that. I'm sure you are busy, but would be grateful for 20 minutes of advice." Do NOT bug them for a job, because if you do then the blast shields go up. But DO say, "what advice would you give someone wanting to transition into this. What do you wish you knew then that you know now? What are the biggest mistakes to avoid? Do you know anyone else I could talk with."

Plenty of opportunities out there for you brainy physics types. But you DO have to get out and talk with people.

>>11502668
What was your dissertation on OP? Probably that will affect the answers

There's no point in getting a PhD if it's not from an elite US school (Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Caltech, Berkeley, Stanford) or a few other places.

Honestly, if I had a PhD in anything and STILL couldn't find a job, I would rest easy working a comfy minimum wage job because you really did try everything and couldn't get that 200k/year job. It's not your fault anon. The system is just rigged against people like you.

>>11503183
no. Scientists still have no idea why the universe works the way it does, and black matter is a lame attempt at explaining universal movements that hasn't been proven yet. Go figure

damn if I couldn't get a job after a phd would off myself

>>11502668
Go to law school and work as a patent attorney nigga. You'll be in extremely high demand as a PhD+JD. But go to a top ranked school.

>>11503492
This is the best advice. Even if you're highly introverted like me you _need_ to communicate with people. Ask questions, see how they got to where they were.

I spent a couple of months after graduating just applying aimlessly for jobs until I saw a career advisor. They told me to talk to anyone I knew in a relevant professional positions. I talked to 5 or so people which was at times awkward but a guy I hardly knew had a contact that got me a job. The other thing... all of the people I talked to had gotten their break by knowing someone internally.

Even if you don't like it, at the end of the day we're social animals. Bite the bullet and go to talk to people.

>>11502668
if you got phd in physics that means that your math is pretty good, tech companies high on algorithms luv luv luv math nerds

this is going to be you sorry anon

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304096/Graduate-physics-PhD-31-fell-death-block-flats-taking-job-centre-qualified-for.html

If you are actually looking for a job and not attention. Better if you are euro but I guess burgers can apply too.
Also you need a clean criminal record and no ties with China or Russia
https://www.emploi.cea.fr/homepage.aspx?LCID=2057

>>11503492
I don’t believe it. Good advice on Biz. Remarkable.

>>11506631
Also I work there, it's one of the biggest (if not the biggest RTO) in the world. ask me anything if you want.

>>11503492

A classic. Really, this is so typical american style motivational bullshit, I cannot even hold my shit together with this sort of bogus. This is advise like 'be urself', 'hang in there, bro!', 'just keep fighting' and the like.

How on earth does an academic have valuable industry relationships? The guy probably knows ppl, yeah, academics mind you! But this is not the thing he wants to go back into, right?

I am in the same situation like the op: I do have a PHD, yep, but a worse even than he has: Mine is in logics as in 'philosophy'.

Now, do I know ppl? At least not ppl who have ties into any branches where my degree could be of any use.

Wtf OP what were you doing all those years on PhD? Didn't you notice it's a meme to keep (((professor's))) research grants afloat? Glorified teacher / news article writer with plenty of repetitive lab work.
Some skills from PhD are translatable into real world, but those are only memeing and fundraising
I fucked up too
Now I'm zog trooper PhD running few small businesses because there were no jobs for lab rats in the outside world

>>11507535

Plz elaborate on

- zog trooper
- small businesses

>>11502751

Unless you want to write about the physics of Fuck Trump you will get nowhere in academia.

I would find a low level accounting job which are always hiring where you will quickly excel due to your math skills.

>>11507587
Accounting doesn’t involve any real math, just the most basic arithmetic.

>>11507709

This is very true. I worked side by side in banking with accountants and they can easily be replaced with bricks. No higher cerebral activities necessary for this job. Sorry to say, but that's it.

>>11507573
Can't elaborate much further.
Military, mid-tier, hoping there's no major war in the next 20 years until I move to office / security jobs.

>>11507573
And for small businesses, eshop +news website, picking up advice from /entg/

>>11503742
I have a master's and I cant even find a normal office job. It feels like the higher you climb the educational tree, you have this pressures on your from your family and peers to get a great job/career out of the gate.

It feels like such a pressure to perform getting out of school, compared to people with low levels of education. And it seems the higher you climb up the tree, the more you're stuck.

>too little experience for jobs matching my educational level
>too much education for lower job, they fear i'll got bored and leave quickly so they wont hire

its a fucking curse

>>11507801

I see. Well, after months of searching for proper employment I considered military, too, but not even they were interested in me.

What's /entg/?

>>11507912

Absolutely, mein Freund. Same goes for me, besides the family pressure aspect as there is none left to speak of.

As it now stands, I've had my 400+ applications and I am seriously burned out, I fear. I haven't applied to anything in the past 3 months. Just sitting here, playing chess online, contemplating suicide.

Bsc General Chem here, took me 2 years to find a job but I ended up working QC in an ice cream factory. I did get fired before my probation was done and man were my parents disappointed haha holy shit the look on my dads face when I told him. Anyways I got hired again since I have a little bit of embellished experience then moved to a big city making 25% more but not actually making any more because tax and how expensive the city is to live in.

>>11507933

Considering you're a Bsc you're probably young. You will, again, probably come to were the money's at. You have time. We don't. I am 38.

>>11507946
Well, what is it that you truly desire?

>>11507967

Making a living on par with my academic background. I have given up on any other dream. I just want to make a decent living.

>>11507929
I applied for a lower level office job, and I asked them for some feedback after they declined me. They emailed me back (which was nice of them) that they were legitmately scared that I'd leave after 3 months

>I haven't applied to anything in the past 3 months

I'm on gibs so I have to apply for 2 jobs every week. What are you living on right now?

Don't let your dreams be memes, keep taking steps in the direction and things will fall into place.

>>11507985

Dunno what *gibs* means, but it has to be something like I'm on. I have to apply, too. Well, it's just printing a sheet of paper filled fantasies at this point.

What you say is probably true. I worked for two years in banking and it was well paid. The work was hell, I mean, hellishly stupid. Fixed-term contract, before you ask.

>>11507988

Sure, I believed bullshit like that before I hit my 100st application. After 400? I do not even raise my voice when someone says something like you did here. Just tired.

>>11508017
I definitely sent out at least 1k resumes before getting hired.

>>11508003
>Dunno what *gibs* means
unemployment wellfare, dont you have to go to bullshit seminars and such to keep going? i have to jump through hoops and document my applications each week or they end it

>>11508040

1k?! Educational background + age + country, if I may ask.

>>11508017
Well have you tried applying for fintech companies? Have you learned a programming language like Java or C#? I have you tried learning data science and machine learning? Have you tried applying without making mention of your PhD and/or Masters?

>>11502716
This

>>11503719
Pretty much. There is a glut of PhDs even in STEM. Standards have been dropped completely and degrees mean jack shit. We're going back to the days where college degrees weren't required for every white collar job.

>>11507913
Entrepreneurship general. Reemerged after the verygoodcoin sir pajeets left. Lurk moar, you will find it.

>>11508052

It's Auschwitz tier here, too. Seminars is what they try to push me in, too, but was able to duck&cover this. Application documentation on monthly basis, yep. You're a burger?

>>11508053
This. What a useless cunt you are, if you have to make people tease important details like that out of you.

>>11508066
no im euro, i was sent to a seminar on how to write resumes, i was in a roomer full of 50 year old boomers that lost their factory jobs they've had for 30 years, they hadn't written a resume ever, it was one of the most awkward things i've ever been through

>>11502668
Next step: Call Center job

>>11508062
There was C# faggot who got btfo'd on similar amount of applications as OP. Thousands I think.
Python + R combo is the way for stats/math faggots now.

>>11508053
Canada, 27 now. Started applying last year of university maybe @23-24. I just have a Bsc in general chemistry. Was originally in biochem/molecular bio but I'm a brainlet so I switched over. Anyways I didn't have any experience in anything other than home renovations and it seems that companies don't want to hire fresh graduates with no experience. All of the applications asked for 3-5 years for entry level lab positions and I lived about 2 hours out of the biggest city in the area at the time. I even offered to work for free just so I could get some experience.

>>11508084
Sad. Western countries were sold the lie of free trade and that we will be transitioning to the post industrial knowledge economy. Meaning everyone should learn to code. Even those unemployed factory workers.

>>11508104
Yeah. Look its tough. There are only service sector jobs out there for women and minorities.

I would recommend self-employment or neeting it out and doing math and physics tutoring on the side.

>>11508105
I wasn't even sure what I wanted to do after school so I applied to a lot of random things but mainly looking for water treatment type stuff. I got a reply about a month ago about a position at a nuclear facility but they fudged up the interview slots so I got bumped out but they said they would call me next time but that's a solid safe 100k/y job.

>>11508062

Fintechs are a meme here. Total ripoff, ridiculous comps. And man, I have absolutely no interest in coding.

>>11508064

Ah, I know the thread.

>>11508074

Huh? As if this would be a real danger, man. Calm down.

>>11508084

This is probably what awaits me in the forseeable future, too. This is where I want to loose it and grab a gun. It really is Auschwitz+1984+Onionsgreen.

>two masters (materials sciences and nanoscale engineering)
>hired straight after graduating even with 10% unemployement
What the fuck are you guys going ?

>>11508134

Euroland is fucked, my man. That's what's going on.

I regret not going into computer science instead, but at this point, already with a masters, im scared to switch.

I am learning to code by myself though, but I won't get any more education in my life i think, it's already embarrassing at this point

>>11508151
I'm in euroland too, there's 10% unemployement here, no problem to fnd a job as STEM tho.

>>11508152
I would love to go back to school once I've made it just to casually learn on a light work load, I love the environment but when you are actually worrying about grades and shit it gets stressful.

>>11508174
I would love to just start teaching at this point

>>11508119
Absolutely this my man.
Men, esp. White and Asian are literally forced to go neet / entrepreneur.
It's brital Darwinism literally forcing you into opportunity in tough times.

What fool goes to corporation where ngubu and stacy get the same salary and more promotions, while you do the 90% of engineering work.

>but anon the economy is good! why cant you find a job

it ironically also means that more people are switching jobs too, it fucking sucks

>>11503183
>didn't all the physics get solved in the 1920's?

Nop, actually we get fed up with bullshit. Most our physics are just a religion. A religion veiled under atheism, butsaid atheists are just priests and hierophants of the solar religion.
I wish i was bullshitting you but that's the painful truth. For example, all models and basis fo the universe expansion and structural astrophysic is the BigBang.
And you should think the big bang must come from pretty based atheists scholars with a ground basis in mathematics and physics right?

Well nop. It was an appliqued theory of the Genesis book of the Bible. It was theorised by a belgian jesuit scholar named George Lemaitre, who made his baccalaureat about thomist philosophy, got his degree in astrotheology (cosmogony) and then was ordained priest.

He simply tried to put in equation the 'Fiat Lux' the primordial light God used to create the world, the initial verb, using the Genesis.
Reminder the 'atom, basis of everything' itself is a religious concept who was rediscovered by new age penseurs like Helena P Blavatsky and her theosophical society, Rudolf Steiner and his anthroposophical society, Annie Besant, Arthur Powell, Alice Bailey and the Lucis Trust, who just back then tried to translate and summarize very old books, supposedly explaining the cosmogony, they found in the Tibet at the end of the 19th century: Kiu-Té, KALACHAKRA TANTRA, VIMALAPRABHA, stanzas of Dzyan etc...
This was very popular among esoteric circles and secret societies back then.

As a philosoph in physic, Lemaitre then emigrated in the US, and started to teach at the MIT. His favorite student ? Edwin Hubbles. His favorite colleague ? Albert Einstein.
Try to guess on what these 2 peeps then worked on... Yep, thats right.
They were initiated to the mysteries schools by our good ol' Lemaitre, and spread even more this religious doctrine.

Look it up if you don't believe me : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

>>11508202

Sure...and with what would one go the step into selfemployment exactly? Coding/webdevelopment isn't for everybody. And when it comes to me, I don't my future in coding.

It actually is hard to make a living while being selfemployed. Don't fake this entrepeneurial crap all the time.

>>11508189
you should start teaching underprivileged youth at the local basketball court and roll in one of those chalkboards on wheels and be all hip and shit. Just think about it bro

>>11508250

Yes, thank you. And now go tell mom that you insulted someone online. Have a blast, man.

>>11508270
I wasn't trying to insult someone I was just being a fag.

>>11502668

Go work for Google. They love PhDs.

>>11508291

Yes, I know, but you see, here are some people in this thread who are really having a hard time in their lives right now. It's rare enough this is spoken about in /g/ and I do appreciate that we have a talk about this now desu.

>>11508151
What country are you in ?

>>11502751
8 years on a phd just to find out youre an unlikeable socially awkward autist who can get a job
Some lessons in life arnt free

>>11508232
>reality crushing mega-redpill
>no one bat an eye

it's all so tiresome

>>11508346
It's because it's bullshit and you know it.

>>11508321
Hear u loud n clear fren

>>11508327

Germany. The worst of all the available shitholes.

>>11508349
no its not, you are just too brainwashed to even consider this possibility

>>11508346
What do you think about Walter Russell?

>>11508127
> Fintechs are a meme here. Total ripoff, ridiculous comps. And man, I have absolutely no interest in coding.
I can't tell if you're being a snob or are just tired of education. But the reality is programming is somewhat big now. Try applying overseas, heck move to America and apply from there.

> Huh? As if this would be a real danger, man. Calm down.
No it's not.

Btw are you French, you write like a Frenchmen?

>>11508360
Have you tried to get hired in the Fraunhofer ?
What branch of physics are you if ?
Also
>phd in germany
>no job
How much did you fuck up ?

>>11508332
>be really fucking good at what i did in university
>get really really good grades
>find out that literally nobody outside the academic world gives a flying FUCK about grades
>classmates who coasted along and went to the student bar every friday has now landed better jobs

it's not fair

>>11508232

Doing a MSc specialising in Astrochemistry, can confirm all of this. 6 years in science is unironically a huge redpill, the people who rise to the top are often people who are 'politically' favourable, and I mean politics not in terms of left/right, but internal politics of science. They then command the armies of NEETs and autists who do all the heavy lifting.

Basically science is no more meritocratic than fucking psychology, the only difference is a higher initial barrier to entry (everyone is reasonably good at maths etc)

>>11508384
>>classmates who coasted along and went to the student bar every friday has now landed better jobs
Litteraly me

>>11508232
This. No joke the earth is flat.

>>11508373

German. Would like to move to Burgerland, but isn't that like a gigantic fuckload of administrative disaster to get a greencard?

Banking is big there and I was into banking before.

>>11508375

Don't confuse me with op! Op is physicist. I on the other hand have a PHD in logic.

How much did I fuck up? In what respect? Grades? # of Applications? Age?

>>11508405
Okay. Yeah I am not from America myself so idk but having looked into the green card process you might not have to worry about that too much since your employer would have you covered. Banking is big but you still need to know coding. C++ is big in finance. But at the very least learn Python 3 and R.

>>11503167
>trying to model anything off of the crackpot bullshit ramblings of a con artist
that's how we got into this mess in the first place

>>11508384
>>11508391

THIS SO FUCKING MUCH!°!!!"!"! GOD DAMMIT!!!!

>>11508414
lol I thought you were OP posting under a new ID/IP. You've got a PhD in philosophy? LMAO

>>11508372
Friend of James Cousins, who was a member of the theosophical society. His theories, even if i'm not really familiar with the personnage, seems to be really close of what was teached by the mysteries schools back then.

>>11508414
You should smoke a joint and watch some Fraiser my man.

>>11508414
Sorry, I was confusing you with OP. Well, if OP was German, with a PhD in physics and unemployed it would have been a disaster.
Your case seems much more "normal". Sorry my friend, but on the other side of the Rhine the job market is just as fucked for "humanities". It's just a fact, you better check the unemployment figures before enrolling in a bullshit grade at uni.

>>11508431

Well, yes, I do. Was work, too, you know. Logic isn't exactly liberal arts.

How much of looks/charisma do you think plays in? I'm starting to think my incelness is showing at interviews, maybe I'm starting to get paranoid.

But seriously, every job just suddenly has a massive stack of incredibly experienced candidates? I feel like a chad has a way easier time getting a job, compared to someone like me who on paper might be better, but still wont get hired. Am I fucking crazy or what

>>11508440
different walter russell

>>11508450
I know. You're obviously high IQ and I hope some employer sees that. What are your thoughts on WV Quine?

>>11508492

Always held him in high regards despite him not being a platonist. :)

It's just so damn destructive: All this work, the academic achievements and then basically nothing. I didn't expect top notch employment, but something at least. Something to, well I said it, make a decent living.

We probably are the lost generation all over again.

>>11508519
but hey at least the title is fun to have right, while your childhood peers that went into trades instead of highschool have 3 kids, a wife and a house

>>11508519
>has a PhD in something remote from any economical concerns
>whine about not being employable
Honestly just sign up for construction work or warehouse duty.

>>11502713
>muh entitlement

>>11508540

Well emotionally this hurts, but factually it's wrong. How is an analytical mind not applicable to problems in economics?

>>11508392
>>11508232

based and redpilled.

>>11502713
w-what
you saying you dont want to kiss ass and move up in the world like >>11502687 said and does?
omg no way, you could have a nice brow nose like he does and become someone's assistant manager bro!

>>11508605
Because the actual analytical minds did analyze the job market before enrolling and are already in economics.

>>11502713
>(((anon becomes NPC)))

>>11503492
>Plenty of opportunities out there for you brainy physics types. But you DO have to get out and talk with people.

i dunno didn't work for me desu. i automated an email sending program to send emails just like yours to hundreds of alumni (separately not CCed). no one replied back.

>>11502751
Congratulations, now everyone thinks you're the next James Holmes.

>>11508062
>Well have you tried applying for fintech companies? Have you learned a programming language like Java or C#? I have you tried learning data science and machine learning? Have you tried applying without making mention of your PhD and/or Masters?

>muh fintech

This is a meme. 43.2% of my failed applications were to data science and ML jobs despite being qualified for them. They only want computer science PhDs because of the perceived elitism amongst Physics PhDs. But I am not elitist REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>11502751

OP here and this is my b8 btw. I was hoping for trips so i could get some yous, but alas...

FYI I did not burn any bridges.

I just didn't socialize with anyone.

>>11502668
> https://btu.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/BTU_Teacher_Salary_Grids_16-18_CBA_no_highlights.pdf
If American, just go teach in a strong union state.

Get into risk management through a FRM.

>>11509455

So, you don't really dislike academia and teaching then?

>>11502668
Go work as an engineer. I am a physics Msc and some of my colleagues are fresh out of a PhD. We work in the lighting business and physicists are the only people who know optics.

>>11502668
Don't get discouraged anon, it is more likely that you get a job rather than dying without one, this will make you get a job faster.

>why you will never get hired (stop this)
https://www.slideshare.net/markrotoole/congratulations-graduate-eleven-reasons-why-i-will-never-hire-you

>specific advice for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/GetEmployed/comments/4a9ka8/28f_phd_scientist_forever_underemployedgive_up/

>hot get a job, an infographic
http://fosslien.com/job/

You're mom welcomed

>>11508364
The point is, every idea is born out of some bullshit intuition. However there are no lies in science: if your shit works, you get credited. If it doesn't, nobody will use it and you are no one. Best you can do is take credit for someone else's ideas like einstein did.

>>11502668
only work you can get asap is in hospitals

>>11508605
Well anon what can you actually do? Everyone who isn't a brainlet has an analitical mind. Anyway, you should just get some bullshit job in HR or marketing. Those departments exist to feed the people who got trolled into humanities. You won't actually be useful, but at least you will barely not starve.

>>11511294
Solid advice
Not sure about OP's background, but physicist in imaging fields or radiation oncology would be quite okay. 70-80k/year is doable.
Cons : he will be doctor's cuck and other physicists with relevant PhDs won't welcome him among them.