/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11472024
>now, explain why 2nd layer CT btc solutions wont make it absolete though?

you still need to settle on the main layer that has no fungibility otherwise you are just playing pretend blockchain

>>11472039
what about bcash faggots saying bshuffle will make it obsolete, are they full of shit?

i already noticed bcash is low iq, simply look at xmr sub and compare it. there is only high iq discussions on there compared to bitter bcash tards.

>>11472057

Shuffling, mixing, coinjoining is just one solution (comparable to ring signatures in monero) and an inferior one - ring signatures are a form of zero knowledge, outsiders have no idea which output is the real one and can at best infer. Shuffling is just mixing coins together and computers are very good at unraveling that.

And on top of that Monero has mandatory privacy with stealth addresses and confidential transactions (bulletproofs hiding the amounts)

>>11472093
its not just ring sigs.
its ring sigs
range proofs
stealth addresses

that being said. OP is a retard. Dero will destroy this shitcoin within 2 years.

>>11472093
so xmr is actually unfuddable at this point? a gov ban forcing centralized exchanges to delist?

why do bcash faggots call fluffypony a blockstream shill which will destroy xmr kek

>>11472108
>Dero
shoo shoo ranjeet. stay poor retard.

2023

>>11472128

they will always complain about something, nothing is completely bulletproof (kek) but monero is solid af, not even fluffypony can stop it

>>11472199
iwanttobelieve.jpg

>>11472024

monero has some serious backlog in terms of wallets and easy usability for normies.

First the Ledger implementation isnt really secure, in addition you have to download the whole chain, you always then need a ledger to access it ( lets say ledger stops there production and yours is broke and you dont get one ). You cant recover your monero wallet with the Ledger seed, like its possible with btc ltc eth, .... without a Device.
Mobile and PC wallets are clogy and full of bugs.

Its the coin with the most usecase, but its frontend is shit as fuck.

>>11472652
>First the Ledger implementation isnt really secure, in addition you have to download the whole chain, you always then need a ledger to access it ( lets say ledger stops there production and yours is broke and you dont get one ). You cant recover your monero wallet with the Ledger seed, like its possible with btc ltc eth, .... without a Device.
>Mobile and PC wallets are clogy and full of bugs.
Thats false. Try monerujo or cake wallet. They are secure and easy to handle.

>>11472652

I only use remote nodes with my ledger

you don't need the full blockchain and you don't need ledger services to be online

>>11472687
and even better, you can run your own remote node and have no doubts it's not fucky.

>>11472703
Thats what I do, and I connect all my light wallets to my full node. This is sweet.

>>11472199
checked
XMR and LINK gang

>>11472652
You can use the Ledger with a remote node, and you can also get your Monero seedwords from the Ledger seedwords (theres a small tool).
Also, Monerujo for android is easy, looks nice and even supports the Ledger on your phone.

>>11472024
2019 is coming.
Say goodbye to Monero.
Say hello to Dero.

>>11472938
kek this guy knows how to flush the minnows out of xmr.

good job

>>11472128
fluffy isn't the leader of xmr, xmr has no leader. he's just the spokesperson

>>11472938
>dero
literally who?

>>11472039
this honestly. if it isn't settled on the base layer its worth nothing.

>>11472938
Dero, anonymous team, say goodbye to your money.

>>11472108
Fuck that closed source piece of shit. All they have so far is a pretty website and ported the monero codebase to golang.

>>11473016
He's the lead maintainer (merges pull requests and signs binaries). I think he's handing that over to someone else soon though. Not sure.

>>11472199
This is totally overkill. I mean I can only get so erect. $100B would have been plenty.

>>11472024
>explain why 2nd layer CT btc solutions wont make it absolete though?
Check out Particl, they're the most upstream development on BTC core and are working on Ring CT+ for core (which has already been audited by NJTI). I like XMR, but once BTC can implement Ring CT+ then I'm not sure what use case XMR will have

>>11473724
core cant even implement biger blocks. "640 KByte of RAM is enough" - Bill Gates.

>>11473853
This.
>>11473724
Bitcoin can't even agree on a block size increase and you think they're going to be able to implement Ring CT without a massive blowup? Bitcoin can't agree on anything. Also optional privacy fucking sucks, so does PoS.

>>11473942
>implement Ring CT without a massive blowup?
100% wont be an issue like blocksize - cypherpunk roots.

>>11474198
>100% wont be an issue like blocksize
It most certainly will be an issue. Lots of competing interests even just within core at the moment. Regardless, if it's some kind of opt-in privacy method it will be inferior to Monero.

>>11472024
Dero is far better and offers far more potential for future gains.

>>11474198
your retarded. ringCT will add a tonne of bloat. bitcoin will never come to consensus on it and another fork will happen

>>11473080
lol no. their version of bulletproofs is literally 10x more efficient than the ones on monero rn. they also implemented first ever blockDAG

>>11472024
2nd layers are a core/blockstream meme

the lightning network was their first try and it has failed spectacularly. you can't even send large amounts for risk of flat out losing it. just imagine them trying to tack on something as complex as another subchain doing novel and useful things. they can't even balance a ledger with LN.

>>11474312
>please SOMEONE buy my bouncing dead cats bags
fucking kek

>>11474312
>$80k volume

that's literally like 2 people pumping it ready to dump on your ass.

>>11474312
>ASIC mined
>not open source
>was completely closed source for four months, with dev releasing only the pre compiled binaries
>10% premine

Kek
Why do pajeets love those scams?

>>11474443
>bouncing dead cat