/biz/ - Business & Finance

This is why people with rough but real life (adventure chasers : life in a van, surf, ski etc) seems to be really happy. They live their life 100% unlike us.
You're so depressed / tired by your wagecut activity you can't do somth creative after.
So hard to balance everything

invest in rope

>>11429189
Don't do this

>>11429185

Its this. I could plan and do things, squeeze in, try meet new people through mutual interest events etc. But wagecuckery tires me. Gym most nights tires me. When I get a weekend, do i want to do anything? no. You feel worse as time goes on, get older, and opportunities slowly close every day.
The thing is how most normies live it without noticing it or thinking about it. being red pilled about this is really depressing. The ultimate red pill really Is being blue pilled?

Or is it being financially independent while red pilled?
I think the collective autism of this board could come up with something interesting

>>11429185
This. There's no way out or forward because you're not living a real life of adventure. There's no way out. All you can do is cope. Millions of people on antidepressants, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc are on the same boat.

>>11429162
retire in a country where you can live like a king

>>11429225

Those types of people obviously sacrifice for it. That's okay. Future finances or stability for just letting life carry them wherever. We all know the trope of that guy who did this in the youth and now works on a construction site in his 50s or does odd jobs. We are not all destined to be alpha and make it while doing that kinda life and having shit fall into place.

That is the trap. It feels like you cannot win unless of course you achieve financial freedom at a younger age. The, all you have is your own mindset and habits to battle for moving towards a life you want. maximum freedom. No wagecuckery or uncertainty in the way, draining the mental energy.

>>11429162
>You have hobbies and interests you don't practice enough. When you get free time you just fall into the cycle of doing easy things like internet and wasting time.
Stop doing that, idiot.
Not everything needs to be a big adventure. Get a hobby that allows you to learn something, then when you have practiced it enough find ways to monetize it.
Case in point: I have read up on how to grow cannabis for a year, next year I'm opening a small firm and making a test run, if everything goes well I'm looking at expanding into a 50-100 mq greenhouse by the year after

>>11429213
shut up, there is no excuse to live, now buy my rope

>>11429253

Yes, agree. Need to force it. I have done so before, maybe I am in a rut.

I think my biggest grip with this wagecuck life is the social side of it, find it difficult to maintain friendships while also doing my hobbies. Its one or the other. and going out to meet new people is a huge time investment.

>>11429217

Most people in their 30s realize being a wagecuck and having a fun life arent possible. They waste their wagebucks on bougie restaurants and luxury cars and convince themselves it is worth it.

>>11429241

I have been saving aggressively and living small since 23 and I will be retiring in two years at 35. It is the only way I saw out of the matrix.

>>11429293

Yes. I am 24, and I see this shit. It's like having eyes to wide open and seeing everyone doing it for same reason.

In the UK, it is extremely predictable.
Anon in another thread summed it up

>have a degree in some shit tier non-specialist subject
>have a PCP contract BMW / Audi / Merc - usually entry level (1 series, Audi A1 / TT etc.)
>work in a mid level low prestige jog which pays £25 - £28k per year
>rent a new build flat or buy a new build cuckbox with a 5% downpayment where the government owns 20% equity
>have a misshapen ugly Anglo girlfriend who is a team leader in a call centre and thinks pugs and wine are the best things ever
>go on holiday each year to a generic Spanish resort and post photos all over insta and facebook of in your brightly coloured shorts with your bird with the tagline, "How's the weather back home? ;)"
>have no hobbies or interests outside of football

>>11429303

I'm 24, and Also been doing this for a couple of years.

However, how did you accept the sacrifice of your 20s by being frugal?

>>11429309
I feel sick reading this

>>11429309
delete this

>>11429348

Are you from UK too? It makes me feel dead. Lol. I noticed this all before an anon posted it but seeing it in text really is haunting.

Part 2:


>be late 20s now
>Friday ritual consists of putting on a super tight tartan suit and turtleneck jumper with no socks and posting pics of you and your bird before "date night"
>got promoted to Team Leader at your sales job so now you earn £27k instead of £25k
>decide you want to be a LEGEND businessman so buy a £30k dilapidated flat on the wrong side of town and rent it out to Housing Benefit dole wallers, managed by your sister who works as a lettings agent on sick commission
>Spanish resorts have now swapped to more exotic places such as Thailand and Croatia
>Bloated bird still thinks shes a size 8
>you've spent the last 3 years growing in a beard to hide your weak as fuck chin
>Audi A1 PCP contract ran out and you couldnt afford the balloon payment so swapped it in for a sick new bright yellow Nissan Juke
>your bloated bird has a kid on the way so need to have something more reliable and that for the trips to Ikea innit

I work in a field I enjoy but the pay is low. Where I live for work is out of major cities which helps but I still desperately need to "make it" so I can transition to part time.

Select one or various:

1) Be born in a rich family
2) Strike a lucky NEET generating money machine internet vortex (create a twitter, facebook, instagram, become a rich jewtuber, and other lucksbucks)
3) Be a Chad

If none of the above:

4) Invest in rope

>>11429255
Now see, this is entrepeneurship.

>>11429309
This gives me motivation not to end up like that

>>11429217
The ultimate red pill is, in fact, the blue pill

whats the problem?
I go wagecuck for fake money with which in return I can buy everything I need to survive.
With the taxes I pay the state provides everything for me I could not do on my own.
I don't even need to get a woman to get children. New generations just get imported and educated with my wages worth.

Why do you non-npc can't just be happy?

>>11429443

Yeah, ignorant bliss.
Imagine being really happy living that kinda life. Red pilled without leverage to rise above it is just sad

>>11429459
Well, a combination. Normies live the blue pill life without knowing why. They do it because everyone else does it but not the underlying reasons.
I've thought and made several posts about this; living the blue polled life while being consciously red pilled is how you succeed. Without a doubt the way to a happy fulfilling life is having a family and raising children. No material possession or amount of free time can beat that. I know the bitter virgins on here will tell you to avoid women like the plague, and it all you can attract are bottom of the barrel women then maybe you should avoid them. But you should strive to be a red pill living the blue pilled life. That way your grandkids can look up to you and know you're an extremely wise old man, just imagine all of the older people you look up to. They probably seem based and red pilled

>>11429217
I tell you a secret. It is very simple but I have realized it in fullness recently. The curse of modern man is its detachment from mother nature.
Do you see depressed people who work on the fields all day doing physical labor or among tribesmen? No.

The solution is to go trekking, camping on your weekends and reconnect with the energies of nature. It is not mumbojumbo, this is real.
It helps me immensely and rejuvinates me for the week.
Another tip is to to join a martial arts dojo do thai box or brazil jiu jitsu or maybe even crossfit to experience comraderie.
By this two method you will gain strength, clarity, calmness amd focus.
Godspeed

>>11429487
This as well. Modern society's rigid enforcement of rules and heavy reliance on technology literally causes depression. We need to go back.
Read Ted Kaczyński's (Unabomber's) Manifesto. Or ateast the summary on Wikipedia. He was crazy but an incredibly high IQ individual and a lot of what he said is right.

You think the Amish have depression? The key to a happy fulfilling life is relationships, first on a small scale with your family, next on a bigger scale with your friends and neighbors, and finally a bigger scale with your community. No material good can replace that

>>11429364
It describes my fathers' family's life in entirity mate.
I frequently have conversations with him and others about this but they JUST NEVER SEEM TO GET IT. If he had not had holidays for the last 3 years and just spent time off work learning to invest the money instead, he'd be a millionaire right now, but they just looovveee their jobs so much.

>>11429217
>>11429487
Of course try go out trekking with friends, it is exponentially more fun. Get a high quality trekking shoe and trekking poles and u r set

How many fucking people on here constantly post about how they've made it or how they have a ton of money and are super depressed. Like a bunch unless it's all just a larp. Even if you escape wagecucking, will anything really change? You tell yourself it will but you'd be lying. You'll still do the same shit maybe with more spending money. Maybe you'll gamble more or buy too many things. None of your wagecuck friends will make it, so you'll be alone with your riches and have to make new friends. Make the best of what you have and enjoy it while it lasts. If you can't find any joy in the little things you might as well be 6ft under already.

>>11429487
you're a beta male my dude

>>11429162
>You have hobbies and interests you don't practice enough. When you get free time you just fall into the cycle of doing easy things like internet and wasting time.

I practice my hobbies very frequently but I don't much different from previous times where I didn't. I just want to make money with crypto so I can afford a decent livestyle and not have to rent my time away to some jew who pays me JUST enough so I can barely afford rent and food.

>>11429527

Yes, which is why i included neets in op.
The thing to do would be travel and being social

>>11429562
I think it's like stepping off the edge of a cliff (think Raiders of the Last Ark) and believing that there is a bridge.

You can't expect to have excitement and stability at the same time. It's like marriage. You can't expect to have exciting stimulating sexual encounters and stable sexual availability at the same time.

If you want to escape, you must escape. Travel only makes it worse because traveling is merely the illusion of freedom intensified. There is no freedom to being a wagecuck nor a consumercuck.

I think the only option is to look within and try to surmise your historical purpose. You exist in a lineage of people who have created and lived enough to create you. You have created and lived enough to get to a place of enough self-awareness to post OP. There may also be a purpose to your life.

The purpose of your life, is probably to make a better world for our children and other people's children. That is the fate of humanity. As mere mortals, we can lament our death or celebrate our lineage. Every other direction seems hedonistic or nihilistic.

Just my two cents anon. Remember that Bitcoin is Cash.

My escape was the fire service. I work 10 days a month helping people, and alot of the shifts are relaxing, not slave driving. I get to eat, sleep, workout, and trade crypto whilst at work. Solid money and I invest pretty much all of it. Life is good now.

>>11429611

I think the NPC meme is rising because people normies are being forced to think about these principles and they cannot even handle it.

>>11429633
We are all normies and npcs in a way anon.

We are all just trying to cope with a very difficult world. It sure isn't easy to accept that the feels are real when the world has spent the last 20 years convincing you otherwise.

Really, the way we are raised, we were never taught to grow up. Traditional civilizations had rites of passage, rites of fertility, rites of ascension. We have proms and car sex. It doesn't quite satisfy our need for ritual.

>>11429217
I think the ultimate red pill might be spirituality. I am also sceptical of it to be honest but I try to follow it and see where the road takes me. After trying psychodelics I am open to just about anything but remember, only your own direct experiences matter. Your mind is very powerful so learn to use it.

>>11429162
>Seriously, what is the solution to this cycle? It's so easy to fall into this trap as a wagecuck.

Find a skill or trade you can explore and master over your lifetime and find a way to get paid doing it. That's your only alternative to getting compliant with a life of wagecucking. For everyone the choice will be different.

>>11429535
What makes you think that? I do BJJ and thai box, am 6'5 muscular handsome chad desu

>>11429665
Your onto something fren. Good luck on the road, use plenty of discernment

>>11429756
Are you on that road too? Would you like to share some insight?

>>11429162
Once you have $15-20k income off your portfolio vanlife is the solution.

>>11429665
Healthy communication with the unconscious parts of yourself is not the ultimate red pill, but it will get you started down the path.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology#Fundamentals

>>11429275
It's not wage fucking that makes it hard to be social, it's your autism.

I am sorry..

>>11429900

Partially.
Don't enjoy conventional normie activities like getting lashed with people down the pub or in a club. shit is fun like 1-2x a year at most.

Sadly here in the UK, that is the national social event, find it hard to even do other things.

Freedom is a function of time.
You are not starving, you do not live in poverty, and you are not subject to a master. When you forgo your free time in order to gain something, it stands to reason that you value your free time less than that which you gain in exchange. That is, monies, and whatever you may exchange it for.
So do you work to live? Or do you live to work? Most people do the latter. Most people, when given true freedom, are left empty and confused. They have no idea what to make of it. What are they to do?
To truly appreciate free time you need to understand that it directly correlates to freedom. The freedom to think, to act and to be independent.
Wagecucks perpetually oscillate between slavery and freedom. When enslaved, they dream of freedom, and when free, they yearn for the whip. Freedom to them is to no longer be subject to the rules of some higher power, be that a boss, family, relations or society or anything that they use to justify their 'sacrifice', as if they are physically bound to adhere to it, lest they suffer some punishment. But this is not true freedom, as the anxiety will always be there, just as when you sweep the dust under the rug, it is not gone, only hidden. In this they try to cheat themselves, but refusing to recognise the absurdity of it all, they eventually return to their shackles, to the comfort of routine, to the safety of the herd. Instead of looking inwards, wagies look outwards, to the expectations of others.
Look inwards, OP, and achieve true freedom. Use your free time wisely.

>>11429918
Why can't you like join a community with interested that align with yours? From what ive seen the UK is hardcore into drinking and nightlife but I'm sure there are other ways to socialize with people.

>>11429964

There are, but like i said, these things do require a lot more effort. It should be worth it. I really want to move away from this country soon.

Most the people i grew up with or know are only interested with what little time they have on doing the easy thing, which is going for a drink or to the club. Anything else requires huge planning and like pulling teeth.

So the obvious answer is do it on my own and make new friends. I find foreign people are almost always way more willing and better for this...

>>11429845
>vanlife is the solution
yeah if you live somewhere warm

>>11429217
Most normies just pop kids to vicariously relive their good times.
Still, kids are probably closest to meaning of life. So that's a black pill for robots here.
I think the answer lies somewhere in the holy trinity of /fit/+/biz/+/pol/
/body+wealth+mind/

>>11429845
but I really like my huge shower

>>11429996
The thing about a van is you can live anywhere you want and this is massive beautiful country.

If you don't live in the US you don't even matter so stop posting.

>>11430073
You're not cut out for life on the road anon, it's ok.

>>11430085
I could do it from time to time in short bursts of 2 to 6 months prob, but I'd want to be able to go back to my huge shower if I wanted to

>>11430081
>>11430085
>tfw Italian
>tfw living it out on the countryside in my van would mean getitng mugged and raped by a different minority ethnicity for every day of the week

>>11429348
Kekd, same literaly

>>11429162
Shrooms. You will realize where you roots really are and abandon city life really quick. Use the tools nature has provided us for thousands of years

>>11429255
Nominated for /biz/ slogan.

>>11429932
Stoic

>>11429645
>romanticizing social rituals
You are literally the definition of an NPC you fucking idiot.

>>11430029
This. You other guys are chasing a dragon.

>>11430029
>/fit/+/biz/+/pol/
>/body+wealth+mind/
holy shit I laughed so hard at this
literally the opposite

>>11429993
Well I hope you find a better place to live. Haven't heard great things about the UK not ragging it tho. I live in CA here in America. It depends where you go in the US but you can find lots of different cities and different people who share your interests. Of course being close to cities makes it easier to find friends and socialize. Or somewhere in Europe may be easier for you, can't say though because I've never been. Good luck anon

>>11430029
>/fit/ /biz/ /8pol/
Ftfy

>>11429498
Life would be great if we all just abandoned urban settled lifestyle and became hunter gatherers again!

Jesus fuck dude, have you ever even read a history book? Hunter gatherers live the most brutal, savage lifestyles ever and probably died of their teeth decay in their late twenties at most.

This new generation is so fucking ungrateful. Waah! I have to work 8 hours a day to live in a bug-free air conditioned paradise where I can communicate with the world from my living room, drinking a glass of red wine from Greece, and do whatever the hell I want.

Burn it down! Burn it all down!!!!!!

>>11430692
I agree we are romanticizing the noble savage bullshit, but the modern life grind is unsatisfying on a more visceral level.
In theory all that shit you said applies to our lvies and we constantly live again the most luxusious decade in the history of humanity.
In practice the hunter gatherer had the satisfaction of eating the results of his hard work, or of feeding the people he cared about and their friends too, which in turn provided for him the other stuff he needed to live. We slave away for far less hours but for people we have zero connection with, who make far more money than us from our hard work, all to live in a house we probably don't own distracting ourselves with empty shit we don't need.
There are pros and cons, you know? We need some sort of balance.

>>11429993
Join a political group. Not too much drinking and most of the conversations are intelligent and engaging. Man I miss London. Brits have the best sense of humor and I don't think I've ever laughed more in my life than there. My neighbor was a barrister from Essex with the most witty foul humor. One night he had me and my wife laughing so hard we had tears running down our faces, and no air in our lungs.

Grass is always greener man. Try moving to the US where everybody wants to talk about:

(1) Weather
(2) Sports
(3) Schools for their kids.

>>11430729
Does sitting in traffic to and from work take its toll on me? Sure. Do I wish I had what all the LARPERS here say I should have? $10k per month passive income where I can fuck Stacies all the time? I guess.

I just didn't have the skills to make $2M in my late teens playing online poker like the LARPERS here, but I did save a lot and am pretty financially stable with great long term financials.

I just need to work in the meantime for family health insurance and keep in the black. I dont' agree in the European lifestyle BS where you act like an adolescent until you are 35 and THEN you get get married and have kids. I don't care how much you BS me, but a 34 year old who is nailing bar sluts and has no family at home is NOT a happy person and no role model for me.

Personally, I believe the best years are when I will be 45 and all three of my children are off to college. My house will be 100% paid off, my retirement portfolio will be around $4M based on current projections, and then my wife and I can travel the world. Our thinking will be that we did the kids thing, had them make something of their lives, and now can spend money liberally the rest of our days to celebrate a successful life.

Not for everybody, but the happiest people I know are 40-50 year old boomers who have grandkids on the way, but tons of freedom, empty nest and money.

YMMV

>>11430731

I'm a wagecuck working class, chances are the poitical groups are all people form the shires, the fucking class culture here is fucked too. Sounds like a good idea though, I am interested in politics, probably worth having a go. you will find out pretty fast.

foreigners are immune to this class system.

I am thinking of moving to Europe or traveling Asia or something like that where I can meet people I know online for years....if i can get the money together.

>>11430853
I recommend Germany, Switzerland or Austria. Refugee joking aside, most Germans do lots of extra-curricular activities, are physically fit and really do like socializing.

They are cold as fuck at first, but once you get to know them, they have a really kickass culture. Humor is meh I know, but they LOVE to do biking / skiing / boating. I know I am generalizing a population of 100 million people but I have yet to meet a fat dump Bavarian who just stays home all day watching TV.

Good luck!

Imagine if Hitler won and we didn't have fractional reserve slavery

>>11430896

All the austrians i know are like that, really great people. All things i enjoy to do, thanks for the tip anon.

I have a passion for linguistics and learning languages, maybe I'll consider german next

>>11429162
honestly? meditate.

you have to work out your body to keep your physical abilities. you have to work out your focus to keep your mental abilities.

i suggest:

book: relaxation response
app: headspace

>>11430818
>had three children and a wife
>all children are both financially independent and in college for his 45th birthday
>leaving him enough to retire at that age and start traveling
Now who's larping faggot?

>>11431017
I have three kids and a wife. Don't know how to prove it to you aside from a picture you wouldn't believe. I was 27 with my youngest, so when I am 45 she will be college years.

I make no promises about them being financially independent, but being in college is a high likelihood because I am college educated and my wife is too. My plan is the same as my fathers "I'll pay for four years, everything afterwards is on you". If they want to fuck around, its not my problem anymore.

I have a high income as well as my wife. My house is expensive because I live in Chicago city and we should have it paid off in 18 years on our current plan on our current income. We have $800k right now in a combined 401k / roth so you do the compound interest calculation toughguy with a 5% ROR and 12% income deposit per annum for a $220k net family income.

My numbers show its entirely possible and that is our plan. I believe it to be a much better plan than schilling / pumping and dumping alt coins and winning online poker than /biz/ promotes.

LARP away.

>>11429309
>>11429364

Haha anon I posted that.

Still true - if you are in your mid to late 20s in the UK in 2018 basically your entire life is a fucking sham. Phone on tick, car on tick, house on tick, holidays on tick, all the while pretending like you made it on social media while slaving away as a wagecuck for shit pay.

I am emigrating out of UK soon after graduating in 2011 and wagecucking for 7 years in a "white collar job" - I'd rather die than continue this existence. Literally an island of call centres and financed Audis driven by tesco self service helpers.

>>11429932
Underrated post

>>11431217
I agree get out.

This guy gets it and summarizes it succinctly @ 10:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knd81qhbRiQ

>>11431217

The toxic debt from these loans is going to be epic. Literally every cunt i know is driving a financed car, I know people working dead end jobs who pass their driving test then buy new BMWs on finance.

>>11431174
>"I'll pay for four years, everything afterwards is on you". If they want to fuck around, its not my problem anymore.
Thinking this will hold true and your kids will not drag you down financially is the LARP. I can believe all of the rest, but you are naive if you think what applied to your father's generation and you, applies to your generation and your kids.

>>11431174
I just sold my condo in Chicago after owning it for a mere 18 months. I got it for fairly cheap because it was a bit of a fixer upper in Uptown. I was fortunately able to sell it for a small profit even after commissions, taxes, and fees.

The financial situation in Illinois isn't sustainable and scares the shit out of me. It also feels like a market correction is coming and I didn't want to be stuck holding the bag while property/income taxes continue to rise.

It fucking sucks because I miss Chicago. I'm living in Grand Rapids, MI and it's just not the same. The main upside to living here is that I can invest in rental properties and retire significantly earlier than I would have been able to in Chicago, but it pales in comparison to the type of culture and amenities I enjoyed in Chicago.

Congrats on making it work.

>>11431252

If you haven't travelled through Europe much then please do.

I travelled more than ever between ages 23-26, to 20+ countries. The quality of life in most of them is roughly the same as here. For example life in Krakow, Poland or Prague, Czech is 100x better than some shit northern town like Sheffield or Blackburn.

I feel bad for my boomer parents stuck here but I am convincing them to sell up and move too. My dad is an Irish citizen and can easily emigrate post-Brexit without visas.

Personally I am heading to the Baltics initially (Lithuania). I have lived with my Lithuanian gf for 3 years now and find that country really peaceful and nice, and her family have offered us a house which comes with agricultural land and forests. Can still work remotely outside of the UK but living costs are 60% cheaper. Thinking about setting up a microbrewery since I cant be arsed to actually farm.

I think Poland or Hungary will be the places we settle eventually.

>>11431339
Yeah, I'm scared about financials / tax man, but even if taxes double, its still "affordable" compared to the other gateway world cities.

Sure its expensive compared to Grand Rapids or Wichita, KS, but even with triple the taxes its still a bargain compared to Seoul, Singapore, Moscow, London, Tokyo, Sydney.

I have a non-/biz/ view of housing. Its not an investment. Its a way of fixing my living costs for 10 year periods at a time and saving my children the stress of constantly changing schools (i.e., rental living). My wife and I agree that lets say, after 30 years, the feral public sector unions increase our taxes by 100000% to pay for their jewish pensions, and we have to sell our house at a great loss, we STILL had a roof over our heads for the past 30 years and had our kids go through a good schooling system (Evanston public is still great). Our retirement is still safe and relatively liquid and we can easily rent anywhere in the US or Hawaii a luxury 1 bedroom condo. That's my thinking.

Living for $400 / month rent in Methheadistan rural Ohio is not an option. I know the risks of living in Chicago and walk into it with eyes wide open.

>>11431174
Dumbass detected. Are you completely unaware of the concept of inter-generational wealth? Or are you so selfish as to eject your children unto the world, expecting them to have better capabilities than you in an ever-changing world?
I will never understand the lower-middle class American religion of self-sufficiency and extreme selfishness, especially as regards family.
Do you really believe that you will simply walk away with 4MM USD at 45 and go travel the world with your wife? People change, the world changes, and so will you. Not only that, but your children will be in their prime years, where your influence and financial support could leap-frog them into a higher class. And this is when you want to leave it all behind and go finally 'enjoy' your life. KYS cuck

>>11431403

UK is fucked mate. Honestly. It's fine from a basic life standpoint, but it went down the shitter.

If you can work remotely, why would you stay here unless you love the culture(lol).
Sadly my financial situation doesn't allow it for now.

>>11431252

Also in 2015 I was in Iceland for a few weeks.

I remember standing outside of a bar in Reykjavik having a cig and this bloke comes up to me starts to speak Icelandic. I said "Sorry I can't understand". He switches to English and had a fucking Manc accent.

Said he was a fellow Britcuck and moved to Iceland permanently after quitting his city job a few years ago and was trying to practice the language. Said it was literally the best decision he ever made.

Had a few pints with him, and the change in pace of life and mentality settled it for him.

>>11429318
No matter what you sacrifice some point of your life. I had a pretty good 20s but did almost nothing to better myself financially. In fact I had some debt from that period that I have paid off.

Now I'm just entering my 30s and plan to be financially independent in my early 40s. I kind of wish I had sacrificed my 20s as I feel like 30s are better now that I'm in them. That being said I have a well paying job that let's me travel for work as I want and I'm doing some side hustle hobbies as well I enjoy. So I can't really complain, and I'm well on my way to financial independence.

Life is what you make of it, just don't trap yourself thinking you're too young or too old for something.

>>11431428
>bargain compared to Seoul, Singapore, Moscow, London, Tokyo, Sydney.
Totally agree. It's also bargain compared to other major US cities like San Francisco, New York, LA, Boston, D.C., etc.

>had our kids go through a good schooling system (Evanston public is still great).
Yep. If I ever move back, I'm taking out a big loan from Sheckleberg and buying a house in Evanston. I would never subject my future children to Chicago public schools that are packed full of niggers (which is most of them).

>>11431430
Oh stop being so fucking dramatic. I'm paying for their entire college for 4 years. But I'm not going to pay for their own apartment, food, car, etc after that if they can't graduate with a real job.

I'm not going to let them starve. But I'm not going to let them become NEET's either. Fuck that. I grew up fast after college BECAUSE my dad cut me off and I had to make my own way. I was luckier and priviledged than most because I had no college debt. I got an entry level $40k year job and with my roommate I had a decent single life sharing a two bedroom apartment when I was 22. My folks gave me jack shit after that aside from the token birthday present.

>>11430692
>Hunter gatherers live the most brutal, savage lifestyles ever and probably died of their teeth decay in their late twenties at most.
you just don't get it.
Humans evolved for that.
The natural human environment is constant disorganized warfare against nature and other humans. Not big armies, but small bands in a big world where it's always possible to run away to 'far away lands'. That's the environment in which we can be actually happy.

let me simply rephrase the OP
>how to become NPC

>>11431895
I want to be a npc, they seem happy

>>11429217
>financially independent
You hit this when you work because you want to, not because you have to. Keep strong, brother.

>>11429185

You still need to wagecuck and save every penny to be able to do this though. My cousin did this for almost a decade but he still had to spend a 6-12 months here and there washing dishes or some other unskilled job just so he could afford gas, food, and buy a couple of pieces of climbing equipment.

Unless you come from money it's difficult.

>>11431845
Why not just wagecuck and save up, take bushcraft/survival classes and practice how to survive on your wagie vacation each year. Slowly you save and invest then move to a more remote place, build a house next to a river and survive or hunt. People talk shit on waging but money and skill don't appear out of thin air.

>>11431502
they will find a way to exploit you
forget that you will have it your way

>>11432001
>Slowly you save and invest then move to a more remote place, build a house next to a river and survive or hunt.
that's maybe possible in usa, australia or siberia, no such place exists in europe.
Even if it were possible, it's not going to work because it means absolute loneliness. It's not technology that's the problem, it's the rigid and encompassing state. Life would be cool in a cyberpunk world of citystates with lax rule of law.
I have a vain hope that cryptocurrencies make tax evasion globally so easy and prevalent that current states go bankrupt.

>>11431895
You are not yet red pilled enough. Once you are, you will know

>>11431924
This guy gets it. Ignorance is bliss. The ultimate red pill is the blue pill. Knowing how fucked up all aspects of society are will only make you depressed because there's nothing you can do to fix it, so you live your best life not worrying about the rest. The normies don't know how they good have it.

>>11432414
>Ignorance is bliss. The ultimate red pill is the blue pill.
Pathetic cop-out. Even before I knew things were fucked up, I knew things were not okay even as a child. Red pills only confirmed what I had always known.

>>11432434
>>11429486
And yet there's nothing you can do about that so go and live life as happily as you can. There comes a time when you must simply ignore the problems that are too big to fix. You are no Hitler, you are not Elon Musk.
The way to live a fulfilling life is to start a strong family, teach your children well, have a tight-knit group of friends in a homogenous community. That's how you feel fulfilled.

>>11432414
you dont know anything
stfu

>>11431339
I moved from Chi to pine lake in Indiana. Great job at the FD, low taxes. Fuck IL lol

>>11432497
There is no one-size fits all solution to be fulfilled.
See my original post.
There will be no Hitler or Elon Musk in the next movement, we have grown beyond the need for great men.
We need extraordinary ideas that create the next leaders.

>>11432564
Lmao. I see you're the same guy trying to convince the father of 3 itt that his children are going to be leeches forever.
Just because you were a shit child and your father is a beta doesn't mean everyone's situation is identical to yours.
>he's so afraid of children that he will end hundreds of generations of his genetic lineage in order to pursue a hedonistic life of "freedom"

>>11432618
as i said prev
u know shit

>>11429185
With what money?

>>11432665
Good talk you really got your point across convincingly

>>11432733
yeah its necessary to go hard on NPCs

>>11432050
Okay so basically wait for a dystopian future with megacities and such an insanely dense population tht crime can not be contained. You say mving to a remote place and surviving won't work but then anons keep bitching that average modern life sucks so I offered and alternative. Sucks to be yuropoor but I'm sure they can figure something out they pretty much have to. I don't mind wageslave life, it's comfy for now might as well enjoy it instead of being miserable like everyone on here. These are the good and easy times, terror awaits in the future.

>>11431495
whats your side hustle

>>11432806
>dystopian future with megacities
that's already the case
>an insanely dense population tht crime can not be contained
nah that's just fiction, there aren't enough people for that. The problem is with continent spanning states. They can't exist without massive taxation, and anonymous crypto would make that impossible.
Earth made of thousands of city states means enormous diversity (the good kind) of political systems and lack of global enforcement. Rather than the obsolete and forced meme of a nation, everyone could move to the city state with politics they like the most. This means there will be a libertarian city and a shariah one, failed communist experiments and capitalistic surveillance city states like Singapore.

Right now the world is almost under one government. It's almost impossible to run away, financial information is shared by everyone with everyone, same for extradition.

>>11429611
Last crusade not raiders
Fag

>>11429932
based

>>11432929
But how would crypto not be controlled at some point? If a handful of people with influence and cash can basically influence and control all world governments, how would crypto eventually free people from them? Wouldn't there be even more wars and fighting between these states you are talking about? The megacity stuff is literally from the DHS. Any tips on escaping and what crypto yo stack I'd love to hear them.

>>11433037
Unlimited fiat simply cannot buy you all the Bitcoin in existence.
The truly elite elites already have a massive hoard of Bitcoin, but there are many wealthy idiots who are going to have their power irrevocably severed by Bitcoin.

>>11429318

I am happy living simply. I also knew a month into my first real job that this is pure slavery and I will do whatever is necessary to be free.

>>11429527

slave logic

>>11430029

nobody considered kids a religious experience until this meme generation. before birth control they were just something that randomly happened to you

>>11430818

If I had 10 more years of wagecucking and the child support gun to my head I would honestly just leave the country.

>>11433075
>there are many wealthy idiots who are going to have their power irrevocably severed by Bitcoin.
Is that when the revolution begins? The rich become poor and the poor become rich? Please let us know when that starts k.

>>11433273
No. The elite absolutely remain elite and out of sight. The older and dumb money becomes less relevant (malinvestment turning its head and bubbles deflating), and the smart money receives most of the money.
It's a natural process that happens every few generations, though I doubt you study history or pay attention.

>>11430600

what do you mean?

>>11430692
>>11430731
>>11430818
>>11430896
>>11431174
>>11431240
>>11431428
>>11431502

deluded cuck missing the entire point of the thread

i take satisfaction in the rude awakening that you will inevitably realize when you hit 45.

>>11433075
>>11433314
based.
btw what are your favorite reads, anon?

>>11433273
>Bitcoin will turn the rich poor and the poor rich
I've got news for you, if you have a lot of bitcoin you're that rich guy who's gonna be poor.

>>11430029
>/fit/+/biz/+/pol/
>/unsecurity/+/delusion/+/narcissism/
you are never going to make it

>>11430029
More like:
/body+mind+emotion/
aka /ethos+logos+pathos+autistic screeching/
kek

>>11429364
>>11429309

I know people criticise the NPC meme, but some people truly are NPC's just following their biological programming with no attempt to form something of their own. They just do what their programed to do but their subconcious and what every other normie NPC is doing.

I'm not a brit, but I do holiday to Thailand myself and I've met Brit NPC's there (and some who weren't NPC's who were very nice) and Brit NPC's are some of the dumbest most annoying faggots one earth. I also met a lot of Aussie NPC's over there too. Some of the worst cunts, I am aussie myself so they hear my accent and flock to me like flies to shit because "le fellow auscunt". They all visit at the height of high season as well and do the most pleb things possible. I never want to visit Thailand during high tourist season again.

>>11429487
>Do you see depressed people who work on the fields all day doing physical labor or among tribesmen? No.

What a retard, of course, physical labor is the worst type of wagie work you can do. It's soul crushing and also literally body destroying. You talk like it's going on a fucking nature walk and it's not. I used to be a blue collar wagie tradesman doing heavy physical work out in nature, on remote highways out in mountain ranges, out in remote fields setting up for new suburbs to be built. It was the worst job I ever had in my life and white collar office work is a million times better.

>>11431174
>We have $800k right now in a combined 401k / roth so you do the compound interest calculation toughguy with a 5% ROR and 12% income deposit per annum for a $220k net family income.
Yeah why don't you show us the calculation you retard because the numbers do not add up. Also lmao at calling it "your" retirement portfolio when it is both yours and your wife's

>>11430692

This is the most redpilled post in the thread. Neo luddites are fucking moronic and don't know how bad it was before technology. THey are literally just that, entitled ungrateful fucking children. I hate /pol/ for spreading Kaczynski's lies and creating a new generation of unsatisfied luddites. I think it's part of a self fulfilling prophecy. /pol/ tells people they would be happier without tech, so then they are aware that happiness is being prevented for them by the modern world, so they get depressed and start yearning for the old world and stop feeling satisfied with life. I know because it happened to me when I was 18 and browsing /pol/ in 2011. I started romanticizing the CSA, Nazi Germany and old Europe wishing to live back there. It's the most stupid thing ever and the world objectively gets better every day and new technology is an objective good to humanity and mankind. Fuck neo luddites.

>>11429309
>go on holiday each year to a generic Spanish resort
Could be worse, I'm the guy working at that resort.

>>11434586

I don't get it, what is the difference between normies actively chasing that life and us? I know many who WANT IT. they run towards it, and feel unhappy till they are a clone.

>>11430692
This. FUck you guys ITT. Most of the world lives in mudhuts and carries ceramic pots on their head and travels around on a 1978 motorcycle with badly aged wheels

>>11434938
You guys are really confused, it's not one's material conditions that create happiness, it's about activities. Repetitive, predictable, habitual activities and lifestyle = depression and soul death. It's doing and experiencing the same things over and over with little to no variation. A nice car and a nice house and an air conditioned office are all just gilded cages

>>11434936

Just because you go on holidays doesn't make you an NPC. I just don't like that NPC's flood my favorite holiday destination during the high period.

I don't do any of the other cringey shit NPC's do. I live extremely frugally for the rest of the year back home, I save almost all of my income, paying only a very small amount of rent, and petrol for my car, I live in a granny flat on my grandparents property to save money, and I can eat their food so I don't waste money grocery shopping. I save and invest pretty much every dollar I earn.

But once a year I like to enjoy myself so I take a cheap trip to Thailand. It's easy to stay for a month and spend under 2k.

>>11434993

All manual labor work is incredibly repetitive and predicable just like office work the only difference is it's physically draining as well. Going on a hike is not a fucking job unless your a fucking tour guide on a nature reserve or some shit. But then enjoy taking the same trail every day.

What you want is to be a financially free neet who can do whatever the fuck he wants, in your case, wondering around in nature. Don't try to fool people into believing being a wagie in a neo luddite shithole in the answer though.

>>11435027
I didn't say anything about manual labor or wandering around in nature. You got a stick up your ass.

>>11429162
You have to work on something to make enough money to break free from your chain. That or steal and con your way out.

Being an entrepreneur is not a meme