/biz/ - Business & Finance

Listen, there is only one Bitcoin to rule them all, and that is Bitcoin Cash.

Let me tell you why that is so. Feel free to chime in.

Bitcoin was always a thing that people laughed at. The people who scoff right now, remember that time you first scoffed at Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash is that Bitcoin.

A Fork is a Fork. Remember that there *is* no original chain. Except in the mind of the users. The exchanges are not our friends. At best they are benign tumors that will burst when we defeat the financial system.

Fiat Exchanges are Banks. They have to follow the rules of the financial system. A ticker symbol does not define Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a system. Not a "system" like a computer system, but a socio-economical system. It's not a revolutionary fintech asset. It's a new system of building, storing, and exchanging wealth.

BTC fails at this task. This is not surprising, as Bitcoin is a uniquely supreme formula, and others can copy it, but they cannot reproduce the genesis block.

The genesis block, and bitcoin ver. 0.1 contained the "DNA" (if you will) of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is not a wallet technology. Bitcoin is a system of incentives between users who use the network and miners who secure the network. BTC breaks that model.

Segwit and Lightning Network are parasites that have entered the code. Thankfully, Bitcoin Cash is DDF(developer's disease free).

hello,
if you write 'sage' in the options field it will let you reply to a thread you don't like without bumping it.

Try it in this thread now !

If i ever see a bcash loser in RL i will beat him up and steal his phone. Get fucked.

>>11316986
>THAT FEEL WHEN BITCOIN CASH
>MAN THAT FEEL!!!!!!!!!!!

cashies have finally gone full linkie

>>11317374

>>11317921

>>11317939
quality meme anon

>>11317374
do you even irl?
or just trynna sound touff @ keyboard?

>>11316986
Some coredrone will nitpick you, but you basically get it and will definitely make it anon.
>>11317908
>>11317939
>>11317946
Fuck yeah, the fire rises! Bitcoin is a peer to peer electronic CASH system. It took a fork to shrug off an incompetent and controlling development team and now the market is going to select the more functional chain. It is inevitable.

>>11318257
Say it with me !

Bitcooooooin Caaaaaash!

Seriously though. In this thread the corecucks have tried silencing and threatening. I won't shut up or stand down.

Look at the Biz catalog. Total blood on the streets. What will save us? LiNK? TrON? Digi?

No,. It is only Bitcoin CASH
Because Bitcoin iS CASH,
P2P Electronic CASH.

BITO COINO CA SHIE DE SU

I just bought stuff on Purse.io

20% discount from amazon.com

100% Bitcoin Cash.

Can corecucks tell me the last time they USED bitcoin?

BCH FTW

Corecucks tell me 1 reason why BTC is a better investment

>>11318413
one is a cheesy knock off and its not BTC

>>11318454
Not being BTC is a great thing anon.

Think about it. BTC is a hot chick with VD.

She looks good (has high price)
talks good (has mainstream acceptance)
but she has herpes, mate.

BTC has segwit and LN cannot scale. Look it up. LN cannot scale.

Because of that, BTC can never be sound money for the whole wide world.

I thank the gods BCH forked away.

>>11318413
BCash shills are at it again

>>11318454
>>11318454
Also Bitcoin Cash is NOT a knockoff.

No airdrop, no pre-mine, no segwit.

Bitcoin Cash is the pristine Bitcoin

>>11318603
I am holding both. I think BCH is superior right now but who knows what will happen.

if u think of bitcoin as a mammal it evolves and the current best version of that mammal is almost always different than its origin.

>>11318723
Yes, but no creature can ignore all the reasons it survived (low fees, simple to understand) and continue surviving.

Can anybody tell me why Bitcoin Cash is not THE One and Only Bank Killing Honey Badger?

>>11318537
bcash shill samefagging confirmed.
how many of these id's are yours shill?

>>11318837
How about instead of calling names, you tell me why Bitcoin Cash is not the best global sound money?

>>11318847
how many id's are yours faggot shill?
what are they paying you?

>>11318734
im advocating for bch. you on the other hand seem like a troll. so kys

>>11318858
I am autistic about Bitcoin Cash, I don't need to be paid to shill for the one coin capable of bringing everyone monetary freedom.

>>11318871
why did you delete that post?

>>11318888
Because I didn't know how to sockpuppet effectively anon. I tried to bump the topic so that I can talk to other anons.

sorry.

>>11318454
>Not knowing or pretending not to know that BCH is the conservative side of the fork.
The absolute state of corecuck NPCs

>>11318930
>>11318888
This isn't me, for example, but I am using this post as an excuse to bump.

>>11319004
why does bitcoin cash trigger you so much buddy?

>>11316986
Dude same here. Bitcash is sexy af

>>11317312
excellent point, anon.
everyone, take note!

>>11318239
you think this is a game?

>>11319011
Because bitcoin is cash

everybody knows BTC is a store of value not meant to buy stuff with

I thought bitcoin sucked until bitcoin cash.

High fees and slow transactions? No thanks.

>>11319617

Lol, that pic. The absolute fucking STATE of bitcoin maximalists.

Craig will make us rich

>>11319617
Kek af

http://freico.in/forward-blocks-scalingbitcoin-paper.pdf

>>11319697
Bitcoin is not a CS project.

Money needs to work. And it needs to work for decades & centuries & millennia.

Quantum computers will require hard forks. Technical debt is real and it compounds. Play with your tech on the BTC chain.

Best of luck on LN.

>>11319708
C O P E
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>>11319721
When was the last time you used the LN?
What did you buy?

>>11319721
Because if you are not using it. It is not money. Bitcoin is not a science project.

>>11319726
I'm running a bitcoin core full node and an eclair lightning node on both the testnet and mainnet, both on raspberry pi's
last thing I bought was a usb c card reader from lndlife
you don't need a full node though, you could download a lightning app on android and test it yourself on mainnet or testnet if you wanted

>>11317946
autism

>>11319782
Do you really think everyone around the world are autistic techno phreaks like u anon?

Because that is my biggest issue with LN besides the centralized, money-transmitting hubs.

>>11319812
How did that bull run end? U remember?

Do u remember the fees in december?

Do u remember the mempool as exchanges froze up and people panic sold?

>>11319831
i mean if you're super dumb lnd has a lightning wallet that automatically opens channels for you now.
its not any harder than a normal wallet anyway especially on android.
you just send btc to your wallet and you can open channels or send on chain if you want.
if you can't scan a qr code maybe just kys.
>>11319835
segwit adoption is over 50% now and the mempool has been cleared out for almost a year now.
capacity is much higher now compared to december, and when people start using ln for small shit like satoshi dice it will be even better.

>>11319873
Should grandmothers kill themselves? All that added work for what? For making centealized hub and spoke money transmitting model?

You realize that segwit and LN didn’t lower the fees (most exchanges and people still hacent upgraded)? it’s just the overall lack of market movement

>>11319873
Why should people bother with channels and nodes? Why should grandmothers who don’t understand channel states be unable to use bitcoin?

Get it thru ur head, blockstream doesnt want you to use bitcoin. BTC maximalists dont want you to spend bitcoin. They don’t want economic freedom for all.

If you are actually running nodes and spreading adoption. Great. You are a smart guy (and welcome to work on BcH) But look at it soberly. Does the original raison d’etre of Bitcoin inclue LN?

It was always meant to end in data centers and massive miners.

That js how you create world money. Not with raspberry pis

Because Bitcoin is Cash BCH

>>11319873
World money relying on people being good users lmao. When adverse state actors start spamming BTC 1mb cuckchain to cause economic collapse, what would corecucks do?

>>11319782

>>11319894
>automatic
>wahh all this extra work!!
kys
>>11319913
>>11319951
>>11319958
with ln and the new shit coming to bitcoin, bch won't even come close to the capacity of bitcoin.
your retarded grandma can use on chain tx's all she wants.
http://freico.in/forward-blocks-scalingbitcoin-paper.pdf
if you don't like it use bcash nobody is stopping you faggots.
>>11319970
i love that meme because it shows how retarded bcashers think people are.
just show me your qr code and bcash magically appears!!
seems legit

>>11319992
Is that your pic anon? It is what i imagine corecucks look like. LN will be ready and all that good shit will come in 18 months anon.

Meanwhile we can actually use bcash right now.

I checked out LND life by the way. Pic related. Very real and cool merchant, very useful payment method.

Known AND unknown bugs lmao.

LN is a revolutionary technology which will save Bitcoin (shitty 10 year old protocol made by some old japanese dude prolly) from itself.

the endless pajeet shills, shilling bcash for rupees is my least favourite thing on this board

>>11317312
Based

>>11318734
The only reason it survived is a change in emergency difficulty adjustment.
And even then - "survived" is a strong word. Quite literally no one uses is.

>>11319831
>download a lightning app
>autistic techno phreaks
Absolute state of bcash shills

>>11320249
Quite literally noone uses it?
Either you don’t know what literally or noone means or do not know how to read charts.

You ARE a corecuck so i am not surprised by anything.

>>11320262
Download buggy app.
Run node, open channe, lock up liquidity, keep it on 24 hrs, or you can’t receive payments.

Alternatively trust your watchtower and LN liquidity provider!

Core has nothing but ad hominem. Riddle me this: Bitcoin worked from genesis to 2015/2016.

Why did it suddenly need LN?

>>11317312
Test

>>11317921

No, Cashies are a combination of bots and chink shills (as in actual paid shills). There's no organic interest in Bch, since it's an incredibly transparent scam (not that BTC itself isn't at this point either, the cashies are right about Blockstream). Linkies otoh are just regular /biz/ autists, larpers and a few discord pajeets. Whole different thing.

>>11320262

I love how terrible the Engrish always is, along with the reddit spacing. Yeah, totally not a pack of paid shills kek.

>inb4 corecuck

Nobody gives a shit about BTC core either. You Bitmain mining cartel sycophants need to be gassed along with with the Blockstream kikes.

>>11320303
this is satoshis TRUE vision.

>>11321124
>>11321140
>muh core
nobody forces people to run core software
>muh blockstream
private company, you are free to start yours
>muh bitmain
dead company, already losing monopoly

lurk more

>>11319721
>>Offchain

Kek

>>11319782
Node mines else use spv no incentives to run noded

>>11320143
Bcash $10,000 eoy

>>11321124
>>Scam

Bitcash > Bitcoin

Testing

>>11321026
>>11321932
Whats going on. Corebots?

>>11321666
Muh private company needs to control the source code through censorship and public shaming.

How was gavin ousted?

>>11321140
If you hate BTC, congrats. U r not a brainwashed idiot.

If you think some other crypto is going to become global money, think again. Money is not a product. Money is our god.

Imagine gold, but with a real, corporeal inventor. Satoshi Nakamoto is perfect because he left.

There is no bitcoin but bitcoin cash

>>11321124
No organic interest. Literally ignoring evidence in your face.

Who do you think will pay me to talk to your economically insignificant ass?

>>11321124
bots and chink shills lmao.
which one am i, dont u know that i am more autistic than you are?

you criticizing my engrish bro?

>>11321140
Look at all this Vitalik fudding.
Bitcoin Cash cannot be fudded.
Bitcoin Cash is Satoshi's original vision.

That vision is what brought it from 10000 coins to two pizzas to 10000 pizzas per coin.

NOT your LN/SEGWIT computer science geek projects.

I am trying to help those of you who feel like the whole ship is sinking right now.

You will be okay.

It's okay to admit that you didn't know, or that you were blinded by something else.

Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin.
Bitcoin launched this whole adventure.
Even when it's all going down, not everyone will drown.

Jump on the BCASH raft!

Think about all the BCH fud you read.

Roger is a scammer.
Bitmain owns all the hash.
CSW is a fraud.
Bitcoin Core developers are the best.
Blocksize increases do not scale.

Have you researched your beliefs? I have.

You are not making financial decisions without having researched your beliefs now, are you, anon?

Making financial decisions based on what other people say WILL happen is foolish.

>LN will work
>Segwit adoption will go up
>People will be willing to run their nodes.

It's infinitely smarter to base your decisions on what HAS happened.

>last time the mempool clogged up prices crashed.
>BTC dominance has been dropping since blocksize limit has been reached.
>BCH continues to make gains and develop, even under the most intense social attacks.

Stop asking other people to apologize for your mistakes.

Take responsibility for your financial mistakes and you can take credit for your financial successes.

Do your own research about Bitcoin Cash. When 99% of projects sink, only the ones with substance will remain.

God.... has no one here studied the dotcom boom?

>>11316986
Does my autism know no bounds?

I think Vitalik out autists me. That doesn't make me happy.

Bitcoin Cash does.

Anons, I can't believe in a board full of intelligentoo biz/inessmen, you cannot argue with me and my autistic love of Bitcoin CASH.

Tell me, am I an idiot? Why?

>>11322300
http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/

>>11323103
you can autistically shitpost all day, your maddof scheme shitcoin bags will continue being heavy

sage test 123

>>11319992
nice, thread's still up. there's still time to laugh at you. haha!

>>11323465

>>11323281
Do you know the sole source of that screengrab anon? Its pic related. Check link if u dont believe me.
https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-cash-network-highly-centralized-49-of-all-nodes-run-on-alibabas-facilities-bitpico/

>>11323270
That whole “article” is a propaganda piece for this idea: blocksize increases are an attack on Bitcoin.

Have you ever questioned this thesis, anon? Tested it? Argued ad infinitum about it? Because every BCASH shill has gone thru that tunnel of shit and came out on the other side.

>>11316986
>Decide to open thread because why not
>A third of the posts are one delusional BCH shill talking to himself and sperging out
Not sure why I was surprised. That is basically every BCH thread.

>>11323535
I admit i am autistic. Thanks for the confirmation.

Now tell me. Why is Bitcoin Cash not THE only hope crypto has left?

>>11323470
sure showed us

>>11323561
Help me BCH, you are our ONLY hope

That's freedom for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzuR7HYSI9I

>>11318365
Will anybody answer this? Crypto-currency. Encrypted money. Bit coin.

When was the last time you spent your money? Not on speculation but on mutually beneficial (not zero-sum trading) commerce?

Bitcoin is Cash.

Real people spending real money.
Not some developers selling snake oil and speculation that it will someday be more than real money.

That is Bitcoin Cash

>>11316986
Should i buy btc or bitcoin CASH?

>>11324052

These are the things that happened just this week on Bitcoin CASH

► Bitcoin.com Sponsors MLT | Major League Triathlon in Charlotte

Bitcoin Cash will be the official cryptocurrency of the 2018 MLT Championship Bitcoin.com will pay the athlete prize money in cryptocurrencies. Visit: www.majorleaguetri.com

► BigTickets.com | Event Ticketing Platform ads Bitcoin Cash to payment option with BitPay Now event organizers can manage ticket sales through Big Tickets, providing attendees the option to purchase tickets using Bitcoin Cash!

Visit: https://www.bigtickets.com/

>>11324052
There is more, of course.

Why not check out SF devcon? or check out memo.cash? Did you hear about the moneybutton?

Bitcoin CASH is how we fight back and liberate ourselves from the MONEY = GOD.

Money needs to prove itself. That is POW. We pay miners with massive amounts of tiny tiny fees. LN breaks this system. In BCH, we welcome you. BCH is your servant.

>>11324052
buy a clue

Of the last 100 transactions on the TravelbyBit merchant network, 53 of them are BCH. This is despite them having 155+ merchants and of those, #BCH is enabled on only 35~
https://imgur.com/1WsQZEc

>>11324274

I've been saying the same thing for months. BCH has been nothing but bullish news. It's primed for a massive pump

>he unironically believes spamming bcash all over 4chins will raise the price of his bags

>>11324448
>he literally has a pic of cute girls eating ice cream with the name: laughingstacies.png

Tell us what bags you are holding. It's not fiat, is it?

>>11324448
Its not about the price. We are sick of corruption everywhere. Bcash works and can offer economic freedom for all.

>>11324539
here's a lossless version bro

>>11325139
I am bumping till it hits limit.
People need to know about BCH.
Especially the poor biz/inessmen desperate about crypto.

So far, >>11319873
is the only one that even managed a semblance of a cogent argument against Bitcoin Cash.

Hey, BTC maximalists got any more?

>there are people who unironically believe bcash has a future

>>11325599
why do you unironically believe that it doesn't?

What, in your opinion, HAS a future?

>>11325618
Bitcoin core still has the best developers

>>11325618
Do you realize that BCH literally offers nothing innovative and only relies on the "branding" right? If it had any other name it would have a sub $50 million market cap

There are altcoins which are far superior in terms of speed of transactions and fees

>>11325630
This is Anreads Antonopolous talking about the latest Bitcoin Bug. He admits it was a potentially catastrophic bug (infinite inflation).

What he fails to admit is that the person who discovered and disclosed the bug was a Bitcoin Cash dev. Instead he tries to flub by saying "it's as complicated as moon rockets! it wasn't exploited so it's all fine!"

Here's the article by the developer who saved BTC from bug. Read it. It's quite amusing.
https://medium.com/@awemany/600-microseconds-b70f87b0b2a6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD0kGT0SU0

Mooning

>>11325661
It is a chain of electronic signatures following the Genesis Block. It's not a BRAND. Bitcoin is not an "asset". It's an economic system.

Other altcoins cannot reproduce the conditions of the genesis block. Other Bitcoin forks can, but as BTG showed, you need a real community, not just trolls, to sustain an economy.

What other community, besides Dash & Eth, can even come close to Bitcoin Cash?

Again, have you checked out the recent developements in BCH? What altcoin even comes close?

If you are a developer, you might be interested in https://developer.bitcoin.com/develop.html

This is the timeline we make it.
We can fight and win against the Banks.

In 99% of universes Satoshi just jacks off and never gets around to inventing Bitcoin.

In 99% of the 1%, Banks manage to kill it before a critical mass of people know about it.

We are in that timeline. Bitcoin exists, and people know about it.

Liberty is within grasp. Buy Bitcoin Cash. Spend it, save it, gift it. Love it.

>>11325927

This. Bitcoin Core has been pozzed by banks. Buy bitcoin cash

>>11325630
some devs that worked on bitcoin back in 2016 now work on bitcoin cash. have these devs stopped being "the best" simply because they switched project?

>>11319873
of course segwit adoption increased, the critical bug that bitcoin cash discovered in bitcoin core required people to update their node and bitcoin core are forcing people to accept segwit in the later versions whether they want it or not.

also lightning network is a terrible idea even if it actually work (routing still doesn't work at scale btw). someone else using my channel and deplete it? how fun to discover that down at the pub. and if people turn off the ability to route through your channels then the network becomes dependent on huge backbone hubs. the fact that it's even possible to turn off routing through your channel means it is meant to develop into backbone hubs by design.

using lightning network through a direct channel with whoever you're paying doesn't actually count as successfully using LN either. there's no point then. you could set up a micropayment channel ON CHAIN without using LN. not much of a point with a network if you just set up dorect channels, is there?

another also, updating the base layer becomes extremely hard if a bunch of second layers depend on the base layer. imagine if this recent critical bug couldn't be fixed easily since half the planet used lightning with old-node-stuff locking their btc.

and finally, LN isn't even BTC exclusive. if it actually worked (again, it doesn't) it increases the value of competing altcoins as well so I don't know why BTC people cheer so hard for the success of LN.

>>11316986
"We'll incentivize users to use our overcomplicated segregated extension by charging 4x more for normal transactions, even though the segregated transactions have a larger cost to the network."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXOC6cEGvg

>>11326199
"And, you'll almost get Schnorr signatures, almost, for free! You don't need them for anything but they are cool and slightly faster than ECDSA. Progress."

>>11326157
https://youtu.be/2Fb6Xww2P7c

You can buy a Coke with Lightning network so all your arguments are flawed

>>11326218
you got me there

Bitcoin CASH

>>11327063
What idiots.
Where is this vending machine? Is it a restaurant? a store? or most likely, some BTC propaganda show piece?

You bet if it was a restaurant they would have showed us the inside.

This is so sad
Wouldn't be surprised if you were that poorfag who couldn't pay his bcash bet.

>>11327609
Seriously, i would like to see some legit arguments against bch.

>>11327551
it's a prototype some kid made just for fun.
you can see the coke bottle right next to glass.
the machine sucks up the drink from the bottle and dumps it into the glass