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they create jobs by making you work harder

>>10550547
People who say that are braindead sheep who only repeat what they've heard on TV.

>>10550547
Don't think too much about it, goy.

>>10550547
They're not even legally allowed to work in many cases, even if they wanted to.

>>10550547
They can take out loans

>>10550547

Boomers didn't have enough kids and are promised massive unfunded pensions and they ironically think these hordes of niggers are going to fund them.

>>10550583
I thought of that, but aren't banks leery about lending to them? Like, in the US we had the Community Reinvestment Act which forced banks to lend to minorities, but I'm not aware of any such thing in Europe or Canada. All I can think of is financing a housing bubble, really.

>>10550547
they create demand for more security apparatus.

>>10550634
Why are you so stupid and ugly, mentally and physically damaged both here and in reality? I have literally never seen you post anything remotely intelligent, original or funny here. All you do is shit up the place with you 8 syllable sentences and let everyone know it was indeed you who dropped that turd of a "thought" on this board.
Thanks to you I have started to advocate for euthanasia to be accessible without any specific reason to everyone, so you could freely end your existence on this planet, because you will NEVER EVER find happiness nor wealth with your cruel handicaps.
Kill yourself.

google united nations replacement migration, see their strategy on the un website. replacing the populations of europe, korea, and japan

>>10550649
These people need to be burned alive.

>>10550649
No, I know about that, what I'm saying is, you're replacing the population with unproductive persons who mostly just live off welfare. I'm trying to make sense of the economic arguments (which I suspect are nonsense) which is why I made the thread.

The great thing about neoliberalism is that it has made a place in society for everyone, even those that don't fit in. Rapefugees drive demand for food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and white pussy. As long as the government can create money to provide gibs, it will continue to trickle upwards and give the illusion of prosperity to shareholders. What if the government can't provide gibs? Don't be silly goy, that could never happen! There's no way that an army of dindus with AIDS and a numerical advantage could destroy Western civilization!

>>10550639
I'm not actually rkg, see >>10550619
when everyone is rkg no one is

>>10550675
How do they drive demand if they consume with money that the government takes from Hans and gives to Mehmet? Couldn't Hans have just spent the money?

>>10550690
>>10550675
I understand how the housing part works, though.

>>10550690
How can he spend money he needs to pay on taxes?

>>10550709
The counterfactual is cutting taxes isn't it?

>>10550581
Post proof

>>10550581
This. You know even though I am very right winged I actually don't even blame these immigrants anymore. The government is 100% to blame, well almost 100%. It is so amazing how FUCKING retarded the government is in almost every nation.

First of all, their immigration policy is shit. On top of that they completely fail to assimilate these people. Again, I am quite rightwinged but only blaming these people for not assmilitating is pointless.

>hey let's place them all together in one single flat
>hey let's do that but then in a complete neighbourhood
>hey let's invite fundamental muslim organisations to settle in these housing blocks to make the people feel welcome
>hey let's give them money and poor guidance
>WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE ASSIMILATE?!!!

Then these immigrants get asylum but cannot work because that's AGAINST the law. So they are literally doing nothing all day for months to years. When they do finally get a job it's completelly useless because "they need to figure it out themselves".

This whole meme that the government provides these people with everything is bs. Sure, they spend insane amounts of money but fail to create anything usefull because no one gives a shit.

Take the Dutch government as example. They thought it would be a genius idea to let the free market solve the shortage of Dutch lessons for immigrants. Their idea was literally: "if we just give every single immigrant a budget of 10K for dutch lessons the market will solve itself out". Jeepers, imagine my shock to find out that it didnt work at all and these people got scammed everywhere for a quick buck.

And yes most of them are collecting welfare, a lot of them are criminals or future criminals, most of them are completely useless and shouldn't be here. But who is to blame? The government.

>>10550547
They only way in which it is possibe is actually very simple.

You need a very strick immigration law.

Unless you are of an employable age or you have a very empoyable profession you are not coming in.

You do not receive any benefits or anything of that kind the first 5 years you are here.

There first 3 years you cannot send your family over. In order to send your family over after that time you need to prove you have a steady income. Your wife and childeren will be examined as well for eligability to live here.

If you commit a serious crime in the first 5 years you are here, deportation.

This will solve so many problems. However, it will cause a braindrain in the country of origine. So what now?

>>10551341
governments that willingly import these third worlders are all jewish ridden looking to subvert and destabilise nations.

>more refugees
>government needs to expand all the welfare distribution agencies to handle them
>lots of new government jobs created
>profit

:^)

>>10550690
hans is stupid and puts lots of money into his savings account and long term investments.
mehmet on the other hand is smart and blows all his money on consumer goods! much better for business!

>>10550547
Refugees are a jewish trick. It’s that simple

>>10550674
there are no economic arguments. Jews are trying to perform a white genocide through uncontrolled immigration of third world people into the developed world. Jewish delusion is that they will rule over a class of poor mullato people forever after whites are exterminated.

>>10551341
The government aka jews, jewish controlled politicians, and jewish NGOs literally getting paid to transport niggers to Italy and Spain

>>10550606

This. Plus not enough fodder to suck up the shit jobs and fill the caretaker roles they'll need in the future.

It's all mostly europe tho. Merica will be fine as always.

>>10550547
soon

>>10551590
How will they defeat the chinks? They exterminate their own people, they won't think twice about some random foreign group.

in the US, resettlement is done primarily by Christian organizations.

methodists, Baptists, mormons, and most of all, Catholics

>>10551659

Not that I believe in the kikespiracy, but you could defeat china by.. taxing their imports until they become non-competitive with other producing nations. without money coming in, there's no money to import the produce they need to feed their billions of people.

You can't solve rampant unemployment and famine by printing more yuan.

>>10550547
I think the theory is that their children are expected to be economic positives, not the refugees themselves

>>10551666

would rather have a nation of christians than a nation of muslims. they're less politically active, respect national law, and will attack muslims for pulling the shit they get away with in europe.

meanwhile you can buy citizenship for 500k.

it's illegal to sell citizenship

they are giving it away.

the net result is your citizenship is worth less than nothing, it's being devalued every day.

for example most of the us population growth over the last 30 years was due to immigrants.

in real terms that meant your political capital was devalued by 30% ( your vote ÷ the population).

the solution to me is establishing a net zero immigration policy. putting citizenship in the blockchain, and creating an exchange that would put an actual monetary value on citizenship.

if someone wants citizenship they should have to pay the fair market price from a seller

people really have no concept of how happy they're being screwed over. we're supposed to shut up and be thankful that rich people get cheap hotel rooms or that strawberries are only $5/pint, or that labor is cheap as fuck and devalued everywhere..

it makes economic sense only if you are mainstream suburban middle class / retired and need services like nannies, landscapers, mechanics, etc. and you want a discount on the fees.

>>10551659
Just ask nips or manchus how they cucked the chinks
Chinks can't compete with jews, they are the ultimate worker race.

Nevertheless look out for the Armenians anons
Juice are finished.
If you look closer you can see it already happening.

>>10551735
Well they did that when china was a literal mudhole. Gonna be a bit different now that they got nukes and the world's 3rd largest army.

>>10551724

i feel the exact opposite. religiously is for the mentally and morally weak. they have been in charge forever so all problems if lay at their feet.

sure, Islam or Buddhism would be worse but don't kid yourselves. religion is absolute bullshit

people are too stupid to save at this point
obviously jews are to blame, but our fellow country men are to blame as well for defending the jews and politicians
hopefully there's a habbening at the riot in portland today to kick off a civil war

>>10550547
So heres how it happened to make sense on an economical level as a pitch:

eurofags forgot how to have kids in the 70s and really liked the idea of pensions.

but even though Carol is living 20 years longer, at a pension of just 12k a year thats still 240k (minimuim)

So lets say 240k per person. Theres not nearly enough young people to enter the workforce and keep this welfare state going (thanks death of religion) so now there needs to be new work forces to pay for the pensioners.

Enter refugees. This is where people say "we need more refugees economically or we will die" but infact what needs to happen is "someone needs to turn off Carols life support or she should have had kids to take care of her instead of whoring herself into her 40s and smoking so much weed in amsterdam.

So the government takes out these HUGE loans to pay gibs and such to refugees. And I mean BIG my friend. How much money does it take to house 1,000,000 refugees? To put things into perspective, it would take 147 million to give a 12k house to each of California's homeless, which is about 7000 people.

Not including the other costs of refugees.

Governments run themselves into debt and can't pay, nor can they keep the peace in their streets, nor can they even give pensions to the people they set out to help in the first place.

I'm not a siegefag but i sure as fuck don't see this ending well for the white people of europe without some violence

>>10551754
Whats funny is, take the size of the american military funding compared to the next largest fundings... then dividr that number back into americas spending.

Next thing you know the chinks are the 26th largest army behind 24 americas and 1 russia

>Lol fuck the rest of the world you our bitches

>>10551754
Then askyourself why it was a mudhole then and now it isn't.
They raised them up, same way they can turn them into a dust.

Chinks are relevant for how long? 30 years? Jews have proven track record of millenia. Their destruction will not come from China. Those two head-to-head is not even a chance of competition.

>>10551760

Well, I haven't heard about much problems with the buddhists either, that might be okay. I'm just talking about history here. American christians have gotten past the point of segregation/lynching and have moved from violence to the political arena. Much better than the fundamentalist muslims being imported from those 3rd world nations.

Personally, I don't have much of a horse in the race. I guess I'm an atheist if you have to put a label on it, but I don't care about religion/politics, I just want to make some money. Don't care what laws or politics are driving the land as long as I get mine. Only reason to care about that shit is "How to I make money off this?"

I met a guy, a financial advisor that made his stick "moral investing" or "conscious investing," something like that. The guy is married and christian, and thrives on christian investors. Now that's taking your career seriously. Do you think he actually gives a shit about religion? Dude is just hustling.

Anyways, a non-denominational nation would be nice, but it's not gonna happen. At least not for some time. But I'll take christians over muslims any day of the week.

>>10551821
But they're already in debt from pensions. They're taking out debt to cover other debts.

>Enter refugees. This is where people say "we need more refugees economically or we will die"
Why? They don't work and and can only consume with other people's money.

>economics of refugees
>receive gimmedats
>they spend them on basic stuff like groceries, clothing etc.,
It's some kind of controlled consumption and they're a vehicle for the government/regime to keep the money (gimmedats) circulating in the economy.
>the regime pays apartment renters and hoteliers in order to house them
>entire apartment blocs are being erected with government money to accommodate all that subhumanity
Many billions of € at play there and some people clearly benefit from that. There's also UN agenda some anon mentioned previously, many other factors and interests involved.
This is obviously unsustainable, but it's going to work until it doesn't, and then "dangerous populists" will seize political power and then the real party starts.

>>10550547
They dont. They are a net drain on the societies they go to. Anyone who is not an absolute brainwashed brainlet can see this. They suck up taxpayer resources while providing no boost to GDP in return. They dont even get jobs, let alone create them. So what is the motivation for these governments to take them in? REALLY MAKES YOU THINK DOESNT IT?

ask the nose. you still think it's about economy

goood... gooood...

>>10550547
They don’t

It’s complete propaganda for the destruction of western society’s

>>10551957
I've heard the consumption angle before but they can only consume with OPM. Someone said that the refugees are less likely to save, but you could just do a government works program or something to get money into the economy rather than try to get Mbongos or Mehmets to buy things. The only people I can see benefiting are banks speculating on real estate.

>>10550547

kill em all
the only way

>>10551957
That is the most retarded theory ive ever heard. They know giving gibs to blacks doesnt boost the economy. If they really wanted to take some money and inject it into the economy they would just boost welfare payments to blacks instead. They blow that shit on air jordans as soon as they get it. They dont though because thats not their motivation and its retarded as fuck as well.

>>10550547
It's just an empty mantra.

US corporations for example are always wanting more tax cuts. Why not cut taxes instead of importing Mbongos? You'd have a consumption boost too since people have more money...

>>10550634
Why are you so stupid and ugly, mentally and physically damaged both here and in reality? I have literally never seen you post anything remotely intelligent, original or funny here. All you do is shit up the place with you 8 syllable sentences and let everyone know it was indeed you who dropped that turd of a "thought" on this board.
Thanks to you I have started to advocate for euthanasia to be accessible without any specific reason to everyone, so you could freely end your existence on this planet, because you will NEVER EVER find happiness nor wealth with your cruel handicaps.
Kill yourself.

>>10551930
Why the fuck are you asking me? I'm just telling you their arguments desu

>they are in debt from pensioners and already taking out debt

Why yes. Yes they are.

>>10552038
the economic angle is pure bullshit, plain and simple.
"we need refugees to pay for pensions" is a lie to pacify naive boomers, that's it.

reality is, immigration is not a means to an end, but the end itself. their goal is to get as many foreigners in as possible, because they are committed to their ideology of multiculturalism.

>>10551930
Because left idiots need any excuse to "help humanity" to feel better about themselves and to promote other people to do so as well. However, since no one gives a fuck (rightly so) these left idiots need to find some way so people do care.

Enter refugees and immigrantion. Severe burden for economies no matter what people tell you. The government is too fucking stupid and inefficient (muh ethics) to handle migrant situations effectively so it will always result into a severe burden. The left knows this, so they simply lie about it. Not just that but if you tell the truth they call you a racist. Not just that but the mainly left MSM support these lies.

>>10551719
fucken immigrantos

>>10551341
It's not that it's against the law, refugees fall under the same labor regulations as regular citizens, the problem is their background. In most cases, refugees are illiterate in their own language and cannot learn a new language fast, don't have higher education or the necessary skills to enter the job market. As a result, they stay on welfare and the middle class has to pay more taxes for said welfare recipients, which further contributes to their shrinking numbers, since having kids is already so goddamn expensive.

People who immigrate to work, with work permits, are generally a very big boon for the economy.

Asylum seekers are always a net loss for society. Economically, culturally and security wise. The toll could be much lower because they're doing it in such a shit way, as
>>10551341
described.
Ultimately "social progressives" are being dishonest when they pretend that immigration is not charity, and when you do charity, then yes, you sacrifice your good for the other of the other. There can be a place for that, done in a way that reduces the sacrifice to more palatable levels, but they should at least be honest about what asylum immigration means for society.

The main reason why you see muslims are pretty well integrated in the USA but among european muslims, they mostly aren't, is that in the USA the immigration is almost only worker immigrants rather than asylum seekers.

Asylum seekers are usually low resource individuals, and them being systemically shafted and actively denied the possibility to be useful doesn't help the situation.

>>10552107
YES I'M UNBANNED THANK YOU BASED MODS!!!! FUCK YESS

>>10552085
>we need refugees to pay for pensions
>implying refugees are ageless workers who will never apply for pension because they never get old

The stupidity of these arguments never cease to amaze me.

>>10551531
Housing and language learning industries benefit tremendously from refugees, hence the strong push from them as they get paid by the government to help shelter and educate the savages.

>>10552065
So how does taking refugees and going into debt to care for them fix anything? I don't deny than countries can go into debt for an economic stimulus, I just don't see the "therefore, we need immigrants" bit, especially when they don't work.

>>10551719
The beaners in the US work harder than their children and commit less crimes though, as they fear deportation. Younger ones have citizenship due to judicial activism so they don't give a shit.

>>10552147
Plus nearly all of the jobs that they're qualified to do will be automated within 10 years.

>>10552147
yeah its complete horseshit.
but as i said, boomers are insanely dumb, naive, and emotion-driven. all the left needs to do is put a few pictures of sad looking brown children on TV and tell a sob story about how they will all suffer and die if we don't take them in, and the boomers will support it.

once this emotional reasoning is established, it is never questioned again. conditioning sets in, and now anything that sounds vaguely pro-refugee is gladly accepted and welcome by the boomer while anything anti-refugee is shunned and dismissed.

that's basically what all these inane non-arguments are
>they pay for our pensions
>they do the jobs noone else does
>they help us figth our demographic crisis
>they enrich our culture
>they integrate and contribute to society

all of these are blatant lies that immediately fall apart under scrutiny, but the boomers blindly accept and support it all because the emotional conditioning has already been established.

>>10552116
No, it's against the law. If the application takes longer than 6 months then the applicant can work a maximum of 24 weeks a year. But good luck finding an employer who is willing to hire you based on that contract. Conclusion you're set for failure and welfare

>>10552180
If anything the oversupply of labor via outsourcing and immigration discourages automation, as you can always find a beaner to do work for cheap.

There's one remedy for refugees. Have more fucking children.

>>10552162
>so how does taking refugees and going into debt to care for them change anything?

It doesn't. It's just what they pitched them.
Bredren you are talking like i'm the one that likes this system

>>10552259
Not true in the least, especially with labor movements calling for minimum wage hikes. Automation will always be cheaper in the long-run.

>>10552156
yeah there's lots of people who make a lot of money from the situation
>govt. institutions handling the situation
>lawyers handling all the anti-deportation lawsuits
>real estate businesses benefitting from increased demand for housing
>private education providers getting lots of govt paid work in refugee education programs

>>10552225
pretty sure it varies by country
in germany they are able (and legally required) to work, but in practice 99% of them never find a job so they just keep collecting unemployment benefits forever

and how else could it turn out? these people do not speak the language, which immediately disqualifies them from like 90% of jobs. their general education level is abysmal, many cant even read and write or do basic math.

for practical purposes they're a bunch of ~20 year old NEETS who dropped out of elementary school and have no skills whatsoever. and on top of that, they come from countries with average IQ levels that range between 70 and 80.

tl;dr by and large they are human trash, completely unemployable.

>>10551922
>I met a guy, a financial advisor that made his stick "moral investing" or "conscious investing," something like that. The guy is married and christian, and thrives on christian investors.

there is definitely a financial advantage to religions. but i suspect any scheme based on gains from the past 30-40 years just because compound interest and buy and hold blue chips would have made great returns even if you were a retarded monkey.

>>10552216
Ah yes the "they do the jobs noone else wants to do".

First of all, that is such incredible bullshit. If you have a normal governmental program that employes the unemployed then they will do those jobs. Literally how hard can it be?

Second of all, I believe that a lot of those particular jobs noone else wants to do (which again I think is a lie on itself) are useless and redundant to begin with. How many cleaners do we need?

Thirdy, and this one is funny, how in the world is that not an extremely racist comment? The leftists that are saying this are literally saying: "yeah you know we don't wanna do those jobs because they're shit but lowlife migrants will do them" or smth.

Hundreds of thousands of people in NL are on benefits but for some reason they are all incapable of doing the jobs the godsend migrants are able to do (which they aren't).

Damnit I am triggered again. Anon, in case you don't know him and are interested Douglas Murray is a very interesting watch on youtube. He covers this exact topic.

>>10552279
No, I know it is nonsense, I'm just trying to see any way that anyone makes money on this except maybe banks speculating in housing, especially in Europe. Like in the US at least the beaners pick strawberries or work as nannies, the Africans and Arabs hardly work at all.

>>10552300
Yes, sorry. It does vary by country. My mistake, I was focussing too much on NL.

But yes, in practice they are setup for failure exactly for the reasons you mention.

>>10551922

let's just say the Christians have been fully in charge of the social and political agenda. it's never not been the car no matter how much privileged bitching and victim larping they do.

all problems you can pretty much trace back to religious people, and their disdain for intelligence.

>>10552330
> mfw I'm a loser and now I am surrounded by nigerians at work
> mfw they have girlfriends and I'm a virgin

I dont even get angry anymore, to me this entire world is just a joke.

>>10551341
Dude, what the fuck do you even mean? Immigrants (which ~90% has been the "refugees" since 2015) can work legally in the country they come to. Why the fuck do you think the governments promotes so many job related programs for immigrants??
The problem is that these immigrants doesn't want to work, they get housing and welfare which according to their standards is enough.

Claiming it to be the governments fault when the immigrants has all the chances in the world to get a job LEGALLY because the government runs a fucking program for them is just retarded.

>>10552355
Are they all white? kek

>>10552330
>The leftists that are saying this are literally saying: "yeah you know we don't wanna do those jobs because they're shit but lowlife migrants will do them"
Isn't that what farmers say? That white or black people don't want to pick strawberries in fields because it doesn't pay enough, or it does pay a lot but it's a lot of work.
But machines will probably replace a lot of that in the future anyway

>>10552330
of course its all bullshit
media keeps talking about how there is basically "no unemployment" in germany

meanwhile there are some 7 million people collecting unemployment benefits, most of which don't officially count as unemployed because they are currently participating in some of the dozens of 'education' and 'employability' programs that the unemployment agency forces them into.
some of them are also doing some part time government-assisted job that doesnt really pay any money, so they still recieve unemployment benefits in order to keep them alive, but in the official stats they no longer count as "unemployed".

the whole thing really is a massive fucking fraud.

>>10551341
I don't think you need to blame the immigrant themselves if you're right-wing. It's always been the (((governments))) sending in mass amounts of stupid, undeducated, low-skilled illegals under the guise of "refugees". However, you cannot deny that they destabilize and increase crime in said nations.

>>10552377
In the US farmers don't advertise fieldwork jobs, then cry about a labor shortage, because they don't even want american citizens or legal immigrants to apply. One begins to sympathize with Stalin's treatment of the kulaks.

>>10552359
it's the governments fault because the government is in charge of the borders and immigration policy.

yes the immigrants are disgusting scum, but it is the government who decided to bring them in, so 100% of the blame is on the government.

>>10552341
Banks, investing in Asylum seekers gets people money, appliances, etc.

>>10552355
I used to get angry now I mostly get sad which I still expres in anger I guess. Seeing your own city/country change because of migration and globalization and then hearing some communist screaming how good it is because "change".

>we we're always a immigrant nation
>amsterdam was always a migrant city
>alt right are the most dangerous terrorists
>metoo
>open borders
>more EU because worked so well in the past
>muh trump, muh brexit, muh second referendum
>fake democracy
>irreversible cultural and economical damage

>>10551956
>They dont even get jobs, let alone create them.

But jew radio said they did. Also that giving free money to fat single moms for mcdonalds somehow makes the world better.

>>10552423
>investing in Asylum seekers gets people money, appliances, etc.
How does this work?

>>10552326

Yeah, I'm sure the just of it was investing in bluechips that had nothing to do with abortion.

>>10552343

I just accept it as the environment I live in. I can deal with the religious; they focus on moral bullshit instead of economics, and they'll vote conservative 9/10 times. I just want a tax break so I can accumulate assets.

Instead of whining you need to get your ass to work so you can make enough money to live in a gated community far away from niggers because this shit is about to get really ugly.

>>10552476
>work hard so you can afford to run away from the foreigners invading your land!

not a very modivating proposition

>>10552510
or stay there and get overrun by niggers who will steal from you and murder your family.
you don‘t have many choices left, most don‘t even realise this.

>muh immigrants are ruining everything
>never even consider having children

>>10550547
Look at graph and read short sentence to understand:

Those that do not work and instead engage in sucking off the teat of government do a service by taking more money from the producers/savers and putting it into the hands of consumer/spenders.

Yes, this completely kills a nation long-term, but that may very well be the goal from the start.

>>10552359
I made myself very clear anon.

See >>10552225

Furthermore my exact point is that migrant DO NOT have all the chances in the world and are setup for failure. But you must understand that I am talking about the people that are willing to work not for example somalian migrants who should be shot on sight.

See >>10552409

>>10552377
I don't know whether farmes say that but it would be very likely since those jobs are mostly done by polish migrants. However, my point is that politicians say the same thing while thousand of natives are sitting at home doing nothing.

>>10552390
Ha yes, a couple of years ago I was doing a minor in economics and then the teacher was explaining how the government changed the definition of unemployment and then the numbers suddenly looked really good.

>>10552392
True but
>oh you're right winged
>oh you must hate migrants then

Nope, I cannot and will not deny that. However, my point was more that I believe that governments could have severly reduced crime and destibilzation amongst those groups but completely failed because of retarded actions.

>>10552392

Existing business interests favor the establishment of competition for low-skill labor markets.

There is no opposition to immigration in the economic establishment for obvious reasons. They won their position as economic overlords and directors of the society and they intend to keep that position.

>>10552574
oh fug. Captcha ate it, here

>>10550547
There are zero economic repercussions to taking in massive amounts of migrants. Diversity is strength. Be a mensch and accept this obvious truth. You don’t want to be racist, do you? Oy vey!

>>10552574
Not really. It mostly works like a subsidy for grocers and farmers. In the case of immigrants, a lot of it goes to remittances to whatever shithole country they came from, so it's like foreign aid, too.

The advocates of immigration honestly don't know what the fuck they're doing and they don't like to mention the remittances problem.

>>10552510
It's not really an issue. If too many foreigners come in, then white people will just pick up and go someplace else and start over. The people left behind can fight over the bones.

>>10550649
wait that doesn't make any sense
assuming the UN will keep the same structure of government and society within these nations then importing more libidinous immigrants is only a temporary solution as they and their descendants will assimilate into the culture of a country that had those same issues

>>10552574
So basically, refugees will consume with their tax dollars whereas natives might save it, so giving them money drives demand, even when they don't work? I had thought of this but it seemed questionable, why can't they just get natives to consume more?

>>10550547

All i know is that they can't behave in school, they go to emergency room when they have a cold, and they overcrowd our public transportation system

Not to mention they spread fast.

t. french parisian metrosexual

>>10552622
>just keep running away forever
>just let them drive you out of your homeland
>just give them all you have and start over from scratch

rather blow myself up in some rapefugee home than cuck out like you suggest

>>10551556
This.

I'm starting to suspect that the ZOG really hates savers. The government seems to be always incentivizing reckless spending on consumer goods. I suspect the endgame is to keep people enslaved to their wageslaving jobs all their life.

>>10552623
so just keep the immigration going forever, until all the natives are gone
eventually they will change government and state to resemble their own preference, and their society will resemble their homelands, including large birth rates

>>10550547

When are humans going to stop fucking reproducing? You wonder why wages keep going down when you keep increasing the supply of labor every year by having kids. No wonder this planet had an ice age. The humans that were around before the ice age probably kept reproducing so much that eventually the earth had to naturally step in on it's own and freeze off the motherfuckers to restore balance.

>>10552660
Fertility rates are below replacement everywhere but africa and parts of latin america

>>10552652
Banks love savers. Retailers hate savers. It's a mixed bag.

>>10552678
actually they are above replacement everywhere but europe, north america, and east asia

>africa
>middle east
>south asia
>india
>south east asia
>latin america
these are all growing

>>10552693
>Banks love savers
no
banks love people who take out loans

Takes a few generations to assimilate. My German ancestors to American in 1920 still make the banks print their monthly bank statements in German - in Cleveland Ohio. Now days just too many people for this to work like it did 100+ years ago. Open eyes, just like poor Europeans to American working crap jobs hand builds rail lines, meat packing, grinding factory work the new migrants need to be tied up for hospitality, nursing homes to change our diapers when we are 80, it all a big circle until the resources collapse to keep the circus running.

>>10550547
There are a few economic 'studies' related to immigrants.

Economists will attempt to look back through data at things like geographically isolated transit systems or events like the Miami boat lift and attempt to examine economic factors in areas with lots of immigrants versus areas without lots of immigrants.

The problem with these studies is that economists advocate overly strong claims like "More immigrants==>short term decline, long term increase in growth". This then gets advocated as a "fact", the same as a fact about water turning into ice at 32 F.

But there isn't a good reason to believe that there are many macroeconomic facts. The social variables involved in something like the Miami boat lift seem way too complicated to generalize from that case to other cases.

It's possible that immigration is a great thing if you're living in a society with few social safety nets and where people share commonalities of culture and law. And it's possible that if immigrants bring corruption and violence to a previously peaceful area, that they will cause net economic harm.

>>10552620
True, remittances is a criminally underrated problem, but it only goes back to the originally point of sucking as much money out of the producers/savers a possible, except in this case it's literally taking cash flow from the entire country away.

>>10552696
I thought India was below 2.1 nowadays?

>>10552750

>>10552773
:^)

>>10552678
>Fertility rates are below replacement everywhere

It doesn't matter that fertility rates are low now, because it will take 80 years to burn through the current supply of humans we have. People needed to stop reproducing 30 years ago, for an 80 year period.

Humans fuck themselves over every single time.

>>10552696

Humans need the birthrate to be way under for 80 years for normal working wages to come. And since that will never happen, we are a point in history where it's only going to get progressively worse because humans are going to keep reproducing until we're all stacked on top of each other like rats and all the resources are used up.

Things will never go back to being better again, especially job wages, and humanity did it to itself.

>>10552343
are you even trying, kike?

>>10552814
>humans
humans are below replacement rates for nearly half a century already
subhuman shitskins on the other hand keep reproducing like the rats they are

Historically, European refugees were a result of otherwise functioning European societies getting into wars due to the elites getting into imperial pissing contests. Refugees from European wars tended to respect rule of law and were not accustomed to bribing officials or hacking their neighbor's to death with machetes due to family feuds.

Modern refugees arn't coming from Assad battling another dictator in a declared war with disciplined soldiers on each side. Modern refugees leave their countries because stuff like this: their neighbor's son joined a terrorist group and used this as cover to exact revenge in a family feud. Or, they worked for the electric company and skimmed money from customers and when the mayor got killed and replaced by a dude from a different clan their 'customers' decided to exact revenge. This is to say that these modern refugees are products of their cultures and it is telling that their own culture suffered violent internal collapse.

>>10552574
>>10552591

Hahaha what?! See >>10551556

Saving and economical growth is directly correlated. Is you don't save they economy barely growths and you get stuck in what is called a poverty trap. This theory is proven and very much true for countries in africa and south america.

Giving away "free money" to people that create no wealth only consume is not at all good. And then we're not even talking about the massive health costs which doesn't lead to any growth with these people.

You are literally keeping alive that what is killing you. The definition of a parasite.

>>10552971
Like I said, that's probably the entire point these (((governments))) are doing it.

>>10552891

It doesn't matter if it is the chads or the subhumans who are reproducing, it's happening forever until the human race kills itself off. We're way past the point in human history where things were balanced. We can invent all the new tech and fancy shit we want, but overpopulation makes it all meaningless and more inaccessible as the population continues to grow. Job wages will never again in history be significantly above the cost of living.

>>10553073
Alright, I understand you theory and I have to say never thought about it in that way. But it doesn't make any sense. Both on the short and longterm you are hurting a nation. Everyone is feeling it. Even the government itself.

>>10553092

That's why we all need to make it.

>>10553148
5K -> 1.3M -> 130K :')

Now I think everyday how my life would have completely changed if I sold. Wouldn't have to work anymore for the rest of my life if I sold.

>>10550547
Debt

Refugees are a source to give money to via debt

Collapse is guaranteed but in the future

>>10553092
Based. Next to the fact that we (the west) haven't even begun to feel the full force of immigration. When the climate gets really bad in africa then we're literally all fucked.

>>10550547
Refugees aren't going to help you with shit.

They are the result of globalization. Exploiting developing/under developed nations for benefits, without expecting any bad result is as stupid dream as "golden bullrun".

>>10550547
Refugees don't. Some immigrants do.

The globalists and the media throw immigrants under the same blanket to achieve their goal of displacing whites. However there are types of migrants:

1. Economic - very hard working, determined, over achievers, virtually 0 crime. They pay more in taxes than most native people as they tend to work much harder and longer hours. They also followed the legal process to get into the country.

2. Mass immigration - doesn't speak the language, doesn't share the values, doesn't contribute and doesn't give a shit.

When talking about immigration (((they))) point to 1. when using stats like "immigrants commit less crime" to push their agenda of bringing in the number 2.

>>10551341
The government might be to blame here the question is why are they doing this. Its obvious that this is a massive mistake but why would they persist then? This is where most people stop thinking and any further reasoning will cause their brain to shut off and say "nazi" if you attempt to question it further.

>>10550547
rich people need more shitskins to work shitty minimum wage jobs. The rich get richer and everyone else massively loses out

>>10553212
Expecting a bad result... people are actively intervening to bring these people here, they aren't simply falling out of sky as a natural consequence.

Exploiting their countries? You need to open a book and turn off your tv. Most of these african countries had nothing before they wefe colonised. No tech, no healthcare, no written language... they were given thousands of years' worth of civilsed ideas on a silver platter and still choose to squander it. Africa is what africa was before colonialism - the only difference is that now there are buildings and modern inventions around.

>>10552216

Sportscenter was on in the gym a few weeks ago and they had a segment for a golfing mexican high school kid on there. A few minutes of setup talking about him golfing, then of course the story of his families "harrowing" illegal border crossing. "Now we're so fearful of deportation, we don't know what to do T_T." Just let them all in, they only want to be golfers like us! The less I see regular network TV the harder it is not to vomit when I do see it.

>>10552427
Wait, where are you from? Do people in the west of the Netherlands really say that? I assume you're from the Netherlands. I knew Noord Holland etc is a shithole but is it really that bad?

>>10553420
"Africa is what africa was before colonialism."

Agreed. And the more I read about it the more this strengthens this conclusion. Also, Africans exploit other Africans through the use of Western corporations. Do you think that Nestle can just go there and destroy entire areas without national and local governmental consent?

>>10553510
the whole "wah wah exploitation" narrative is just another piece of leftist bullshit

like, how the fuck do they think this works? do they want 1st world countries to invade africa in order to enforce 1st world standards of corporate ethics there?
because that's what it would take to stop 'exploitation' there. these african countries are sovereign states, they legislate and enforce labor laws as they see fit, and foreign interference in internal affairs like that is not something anybody takes lightly.

>>10553510
I mean, you can just google banana republic and see how much 'murica cares about well beings of others

>>10553498
Noord-Holland isn't a shithole necessarily. Amsterdam is. And the larger cities in Zuid-Holland, Utrecht. But Noord Holland isn't just the larger cities.

Yes, people actually say that. Just like they do in the UK. Escpecially the media applaudes people saying this stuff. People on talkshows say this shit regulary. I've seen/heard it personally:

>Amsterdam was always a city for migrants.
Then goes on explaining how it was basically only migrants from West-Europe "But also sometimes Chinese". Wow.

>Change is necessary to improve
Doesn't understand what this actually means

>Extreme right is growing and pose a signficant terrorist thread to the dutch society.
Basically saying that throwing a molative cocktail on a mosque is on the same level at Paris attacks. Muh terrorism.

>Constantly showing clips op people denying having a Dutch (Western) heritage to begin with. The exact same thing happens in the UK.

The metoo movement and feminism is quite big here as well (at least media wise). Tons of statistics that women are basically just working way less than men but when you say that some 22 year girl (with a rich father) tells you that's because of the patriarcy.

There was this one talkshow where they showed a funny clip from say 5-8 years ago where an Asian woman was speaking Dutch but with an Asian accent. And particular words are literally just funny when she says them. The talkshow guests were all appaled and said that this wasn't ok anymore today.

The list goes on and on. Oh and a fuckton of people (basically all my friends) are pro-EU.

>>10553614
I mean, you can just google barbary pirates and see how much mudshits care about well beings of others


do you have an actual point to make? or just irrelevant deflection and whataboutism?

>>10553614
Yes, just like any other nation/people they exploit other nations/people.

>>10553702
And I'm saying it has consequences. First it was niggers(albeit it was more about slavery)
And for the past 30-40 years, it's been refugees. Why work legally in your country for a dime, when you can make twice illegally in others. It's part of globalization and capitalism.

You can "make" money from refugees, but you'd have to be quite immoral since you'd have to do something like managing a shelter and grabbing shekels from the government.
In a true capitalist society you would pay pay them food and shelter and pennies, and make them low qualification jobs that require no brain, low trust and can't be slacked or fucked without being obvious. Such jobs would be cleaning the wastes of an industrial site (e.g. the leftovers at a tree processing plant). But you can't employ them below the minimum wage despite them lacking the qualifications to deserve one, so they are left unemployed :^)
As for illegal refugees >>>/out/ since they aren't allowed in the first place.

>>10553727
you are still not making any argument
why exactly would anybody who isn't a complete lunatic accept this invasion?

>>10553677
Mind you that all the talkshow guest are ALWAYS lefties and SJWs. They only invite the most retarded of the rightwingers. And if it so happens that there is a guy (always a guy) that happens to be right winged and normal then he will get attacked by everyone.

Basically (but we all know this), the media gives so much more coverage to lefties and anti nationalism than is representable for society.

Geert Wilders, conservatist party, became second largest party. I don't agree with the guy on a lot of points and he is somewhat of a retard but a fuckton of people voted for him and he was completely shunned and ignored.

>>10553727
No, that is not at all true! First of all, it's migrants not refugees. Second of all, those economic/climate migrants from Africa were always doomed to come en mass with or without colonisation. And the Middle-East has always been highly unstable due to civil wars and fundamentalism.

You make no point.

there will be no migrant if the young generation just had fucking kids. They prefer to blame the older generations instead while twiddling their thumbs.

>>10553824
this is such a retarded non-argument
as if illiterate niggers bother checking birth rates of random euro countries before setting out to move there lmao

>>10553803
the political situation is far too gone in Europe for any current conventional means. You are going to have to have a revolution or just be conquered

It's sad but true at this point

>>10553824
Disagree. They would still have been "invited" to come here because of lefties. The whole point we we're trying to make here is that exactly your argument doesn't add up. Migrants aren't going to solve anything, they're just making it worse.

>>10553677
Yeah, I get what you mean. I live near the German border, North East Netherlands.
I myself voted for Geert, was thinking about Forum voor Democratie but eh.
Always had a disliking for west Netherlands since it's such a fucking mess in my opinion, don't watch alot of TV and especially not SBS or RTL or the likes. So I don't really catch the whole SJW shit, it's just is appalling to me that stuff like Rotterdam, Utrecht and Amsterdam are such shitholes and people actually think and say things in those ways.
That's what you get for being a progressive country though I guess.

>>10553850
>>10553837
The reason for inviting migrants is explicitly the dwindling birth rates. Explicitly.
Start to inseminate some roasties and the main, official and well known reason for being inviting to migrants goes away. Everybody is happy that they don't have to placate third-word shit-sqaters, even the liberals.

>>10553840
It's funny because I was talking about exactly that a couple of days ago with a friend. People are so suprised about Brexit, Trump, Wilders, rise in nationalism/conservatism, Italy etc. How in the world can you be suprised? Can't they not see the pattern here?

Isn't it clear that the (western) world has become so fucked up that people are forced to vote for "extremes". It's just too bad that it's not going to do anything since we live in a fake democracy and most problems are irreversible without massive changes.

>more EU will solve it

Is what I hear all the time. "We need more EU not less"

>>10553895
>The reason for inviting migrants is explicitly the dwindling birth rates. Explicitly.

again - the argument just doesnt add up at all. the mantra of "we need population growth for economic growth" is based around the assumption that the population actually engages in economic activity. as previously established, this simply is not the case with these refugees, as they are pretty much entirely unemployable in any first world country. this results in them being a significant burden on the national economy, which is the polar opposite of what your argument claims.

>>10553895
Africans aren't productive. You have to give them other people's money to consume things with.

>>10553958
This. The only reason for accepting them is economic growth and that is not happening.

>>10553958
Economic growth isn't the only dimension in this equation, It's more a feeling of savety that the migrants give to the people that push for their acceptance. It is the result of lack of purpose for a fair chunk of society, mostly women who arent inclined to the jobs currently available due to technological reasons and motherhood is just not demanding enough for it to be considered something praiseworthy by society.
Migrants are just a surrogate for children in a society that doesn't want/can have children. Merkel is a childless hag and she loves migrants with a passion.

>>10553972
>>10553958
The fact that migration happens despite what you say speaks that there are forces otehr than economic forces in play here. The fact that you don't see them speaks only about your ignorance.

>>10550554
this
>>10550561
and this
>>10550573
also this

Since they consume resources they must also drive economic growth. Even if that growth is for corporations and directly at our own expense.

>>10550547
Their presence makes Shlomo feel safe.

Enough theory-mongering
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X16304466
>We find that overall both indices have a distinct positive impact on real GDP per capita and that the effect of diversity seems to be more consistent in developing countries.

>>10553498
>North Netherlands
>not being 56% meme like west
>Shithole
Im from drenthe still most uncucked place in netherlands

>https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdf
>Migrants accounted for 47% of the increase in the workforce in the United States and 70% in Europe over the past ten years.
>Labour migrants have the most positive impact on the public purse.
>One study that looks at the impact of migration on economic growth for 22 OECD countries between 1986 and 2006 demonstrates a positive but fairly small impact of the human capital brought by migrants on economic growth.

>>10552562
>muh pensions
Japan doing fine with low birth rates and no immigration. Let us just lower pensions because we cant carry the boomers. Instead of giving the country to mudslimes

>>10554174
>>10554205
any study outside of hard sciences is just politics

>>10554217
Theorymongering sure is less political than studies, lel

>>10554217
cherry-picking

>>10554214
Muslims seem better then the men of current developed nations. Weak and pacified, chasing bullshit instead of things that makes the country going.

>>10554242
you can find studies that show the exact opposite, or they could easily be created

your studies are worse than theories because they are fake conclusions

>>10554243
All those bullshit theorycrafting isn't cherrypicking at all, lel.

>>10554261
>they are fake conclusion
nice opinion there. want to back it up with something?

>>10554174
>>10554205
both of these do not even look at type and quality of migrants lmao

basically your argument is "america and canada get a ton of profesisonals and academics from china and this is great for their economies, therfor flooding europe with millions of illiterate welfare leeching niggers is a great idea!"

this line of arguing is just straight up dishonest and borders on outright lying

>>10550547
Why are you so stupid and ugly, mentally and physically damaged both here and in reality? I have literally never seen you post anything remotely intelligent, original or funny here. All you do is shit up the place with you 8 syllable sentences and let everyone know it was indeed you who dropped that turd of a "thought" on this board.
Thanks to you I have started to advocate for euthanasia to be accessible without any specific reason to everyone, so you could freely end your existence on this planet, because you will NEVER EVER find happiness nor wealth with your cruel handicaps.
Everyone wishes you were dead, ESPECIALLY your family, nobody loves you and nobody likes the idea of having deranged cripple who only produces debt, misery and uncertainty in their family. They might never say it out loud but everytime they look at you they wish you would die already and would stop being a baggage of depression to them.
Maybe you think you are strong just by virtue of existing - but you couldn't be more wrong, the people around you tolerating your existence, the family of yours who carries you as an emotional and financial burden, the doctors pointlessly trying to cure you, THEY are strong. You however, are just a rotting, retarded waste of oxygen and protein.
Do one good and brave thing and end the suffering for them and for you.
Kill yourself.

Refugees promote economic growth by regular citizens having to work harder to maintain them.

>>10554295
The theory is that you overestimate the amount of non-working migrants to suit your own agenda. Back it up please.

>>10554180
>Noord Holland
>North of the Netherlands
>Not the same

Kanker


>>10554034
>>10554174
>>10554205
>>10554242
>>10554251
>>10554264

First of all, wtf are you babbeling about jesus christ. Second of all, these studies do not contribute to our discussion. Do you know why? Because the data it not broken down on race and origin. I don't see any Nation Dummies in the regressions anon.

>>10554251
Fuck off faggot.

>>10554264
>>10554278
No giving useless data is really helpful. We are talking about specific migrants from specific nations and you simply give an article about migration in general. Not even that but focussed on worker migrants.

As a scientist I am sickened by this nonsense of you.

This is a graph for the Netherlands (made by the Dutch Bureau of Statistics) stating the percentage of people that are in welfare (Bijstand) which just like in the US is the lowest tier of free money you can get.

https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2015/31/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand

Very easy to understand even for you >>10554334

>>10554366
>As a scientist
lel
>useless data
In general, third world shitholes provide the bulk of migrants. There is no other source of migration of the same magnitude, therefore differentiating them isn't that helpful.
If you think it is, please provide some statistics.

>>10551680
jew detected

>>10554334
>you overestimate the amount of non-working migrants
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/820480/Germany-migrant-crisis-refugees-long-term-unemployment-benefits-Angela-Merkel
https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f
https://www.ft.com/content/e1c069e0-872f-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787

keep in mind that all these prognoses of XX% of them finding work within YY years are hyper optimistic best-case scenarios drummed up by the government for PR purposes

>>10554468
I cannot even begin to reply to this. I have the feeling you are 12. I refuse to continue talking with you, you clearly refuse to listen and discuss on a normal level and you provide factual non information to then support that with biased statements. I say goodday.

>>10554532
ok cuck

>>10554366
Saw it after post
>t. dumb farmer

>>10550547
>>people are saying
The (((kike media))) and liberal braindead babies are parroting.
>Inb4 go back to /pol/

>>10554205
>>Migrants provide the bulk of the workforce increase.

Yeah duh western europ is in population decline already not counting migrants. So off course there would be no net increase in jobs without migrants retard.

Do the provide more gdp per capita though?

I think selling chinese made Eiffel towers doesnt contribute that much to our economy

>>10550583
>be refugee
>left to america
>somehow given free money, housing, and food
>lifeisgood.jpg
>get shit job
>it sucks here because of racism wtf
>cant get laid; no friends
>somehow approved for loan
>get it all to family and into crypto and gold somehow
>default and get deported
>free money, get my whole senpai to do the same thing
>we now own our village
pic related

>>10550547
They receive welfare from governments, that is upper / middle class taxes mostly. They spend this money on rent, food, clothes, medecine, basic utilities and sent the rest to their country.

Basically its tax funded benefits for big companies (pharma, hypermatkets, clothing...) and landlords. Obviously, the guys at the top of the chain evade taxes so they don't pay for it.

>>10550547
They higher the demand for living space like apartments which highers the prices for apartments, in the end it looks like the coubtry has an higher gdp and more value but it's axutally just cheating

>>10552622
>If too many foreigners come in, then white people will just pick up and go someplace else and start over.

>>10550547
intresting question!
they get tax money and give it to the stores/dealers for example to buy beer or weed, also rent and costs for care and support is for example lots of billions here in germany, this is tax money going to companys.
the "earnings" of the support and care industry is as high as the cars industry here already.

another point is they need a place to stay what at the time is not existent, so it needs to be build, another shit ton of tax money going to the "economy".

a fact that many people here deny but still,a fact is that cheap larbor causes more pressure lowering the wages and so generating more profit for the employers.

so yes it does promote the economic grows but imho with very very negative effect for the tax citizens and especially tax payers.

I think it is just a sraw fire and not sustained at all.

an optimist could say later generations could add value in future but I do not think that works with africans or middle east refugees because not even turks have assimilated here, even in the third generation they take a big part of the wellfare and commit a lot of crimes.

If it would be east asian or european even russians it totally could happen but not with that people we get as unwanted presents these days.

instead of putting the tax money on that straw fire refugee economic grows (that btw will not fix any problems in africa) I would rather just give it to the citizens to have them spend it or create buisness with it, also spending it for infra structures would be much wiser since schools, streets and bridges for example are in a pretty bad state.

Instead of betting on third generations of refugee children I would put that money on tax laws that encourages the people to make more children, this way we would have more already assimilated and better educated workes in about 18 years.

but all this as it is atm is not for the better of the citizens, thats for sure.

>>10555066
Is what is happening reversible tho? I don't think so.

The mass immigration to europe is the only thing keeping the economy alive.

The local population is already at max debt. They are bringing in new debt takers.
More credits are made. Money machine keeps pumping for a little longer.

Once the immigration stops the economy will collapse. Looks like 2019.

Also: The west is becoming a Safari , a sort of Zoo because the middle east and Africa is going to suffer from man made population control soon enough. by 2050 Africa will have such a high population that the fat fucks in the west won't be able keep the party going.

There will be complete quarantine on Africa and India / Middle east when the real food supply issues hit and the biggest migration ever hits earth. Today's charity immigration is debt fuel + preservation of the soon extinct home land of the black people and brown people.

Isn't it crazy? As if someone actually did read all the statistics and warnings and they are actually planning for it and making it acceptable by the masses.

>>10555469
mass deportations are very unlikely with this or a near future government but would be technical possible in general imho.

>>10555555

>>10555469
I thought some countrys were like refusing to accept any back and some were saying theyd jail/kill anyone sent back forcing the EU to keep em as it would be inhumane to send them back.

>>10555480
>The mass immigration to europe is the only thing keeping the economy alive.

side effect of these tactics is when the Euro collapses and so also the EU collapses, you can tell the people "you know it is all these "refugees" fault, the system itself is perfectly fine" kek.

>>10555581

Bingo. And then instead of people being mad at their retarded gibernments and politicains they are mad at that black or brown guy who just wanted a better life for his family and picked the big door where it said: COME IN HERE FREE MONEY AND BLONDE PUSSY.

It's crazy how the MSM has brainwashed people for so long. It's probably thanks to mass media and everyone having a media device near them 24/7. Tho radio / flyer propaganda 70 years ago worked fine too. So maybe it's just the human sheep condition.

>>10553092
Fuck off bilderburger.

>>10555469
with the current political class, it will never end

if some kind of radical political change happens, a future government could carry out mass deportations and send all the scum back to africa, but this is unlikely to happen

>>10555620
>So maybe it's just the human sheep condition.

this, 90% of the people do not question anything but just do as they are told.

>>10555728
people who question everything do nothing.

>>10555694
even if it would happen, the bigger Problem will come in a few years if the Population in Africa grows at the current pace, things will get pretty ugly.

Smtimes I think that all this migrant influx is just a way for old rich guyz to get a bigger donor pool

>>10555738
kek, bullshitometer just TILT.

DAILY REMINDER THAT BIZ IS AN KIKE FREE ANTI LIBSHIT ZONE

TAKE YOUR SOFT HEARTED APPROACH TO FAGGOT FORUMS LIKE REDDIT AND TAKE YOUR SCUM ILLEGALS WITH YOU

>>10555738
>I'm so brave because do things without thinking!

>>10555816
Questioning everything means that you have no real problems in front of you. enjoy devising your own problems

>>10555778
its only a problem for africa
rest of the world can easily wall off the borders and keep the niggers contained in their shitland

but of course that takes a political leadership that has the interests of its own people at heart, which most of them simply don't have

>>10555849
I do basic shit without thinking to be able to solve real problems. Enjoy questioning the moisture content of your moms tendies because you have no real responsibilities.

>>10555884
nobody said everybody should question EVERYTHING.

I just complained about most people over here question NOTHING. there is a big healthy range in between these two extremes.

>>10550547
they arent being used in the economy
they are being used to replace you, white man

>>10555946
You sure have access to lot if insight into people by just reading their posts on 4chan. Enjoy your delusions.

>>10555888
>its only a problem for africa

the present reality proofs you wrong sadly.

but I agree with the walls in general, additionally there should be china style birth control to keep the migration fuel low and colonization (meaning take control of the governments) to have some economy/healthy environment in africa since I do not see them getting it done by themselfs.

If this does not happen the problem will get bigger exponentially and make europe soon africa 2.0 with all the same problems as they have now.

>>10556069
over here was meant as in over here in germany you fucking retard at least read the context before spawning your bullshit.
eventhough you do not question anything, you should ask your doctor to give you a lobotomy very soon.

>>10556080
>the present reality proofs you wrong sadly.
no
the current "crisis" is 100% home-made. if all the euros had acted like hungary then the "european migrant crisis" as we know it would never have become a thing in the first place - all these subhumans would have ended up stranded in some state in the middle east or north africa, from where they would have just been deported back to sub saharan africa eventually.

>>10556198
yes, exactly.

>would have

it IS a problem right now/future, as long as they do not act as you described it, to me it does not look as if they are going to act like that in the future but work exactly for the opposite agenda.

but even if they would all listen to orban tomorrow and build walls and mass deport, at a certain point the masses of people will be to big to handle imho. walls will break, so thats why I said additionally to the walls we should do colonization style government buisness in africa to build some wealth/ liveworthy environment there.

>>10556406
>but even if they would all listen to orban tomorrow and build walls and mass deport, at a certain point the masses of people will be to big to handle imho. walls will break

no they wont.
you dont even need walls, regular border fortifications are enough. the only thing you need is guards who are actually allowed to defend the border against illegal trespassers.

this isnt some new idea. the iron curtain stood for like 40 years and it held up pretty damn well. hell, the border between north and south korea is still up and running, and even though north koreans are hyper oppressed and regularly starving, pretty much nobody makes it across the border.

>>10553163
dont worry 5 m next stop just hodl, your still 25x aead try doin that in any other investment

>>10556479
>oppressed and regularly starving, pretty much nobody makes it across the border.

I get your Point but you are comparing a small land of a few asians with a continent full of africans, they are very different imho. Have you seen that video where a few hundred african "refugees" made it over the the fence with selfmade flamethrowers? imagine that type of attitude multiplied times 100K.

I completly agree with you that bordercontrols/defense can work but I see Europen walls break from only a few hundered random idiots and I also do not see the politicians/media going to change their agenda.

So to me it sadly is also our Problem.

>>10556673
>Have you seen that video where a few hundred african "refugees" made it over the the fence with selfmade flamethrowers? imagine that type of attitude multiplied times 100K.

and what did the spanish border guards do? nothing. they just stood by and watched.

thats the fucking problem here. if these guards had permisison and orders to repel attackers, the incident would have ended with a few dozen niggers shot dead and the remaining niggers running away in terror.

you can build the biggest, baddest border wall in the world, but if you are not willing to actually defend it it is just a matter of time until it gets breached.

or you can just draw a shitty line in the sand and put a dozen soldiers behind it who shoot any trespassers on sight. it will never get breached.

>>10555897
Lol, you're a projecting loser. Most people can do basic shit without thinking, but you treat it like a special skill.

>>10550547
>How do refugees promote economic growth
They don't.
They promote consumption.
Which is good for very rich people, that's why they are coming. In order that the state (poor wagecucks) works and pay for the retarded asylum seeker who can't read but can buy cigarettes, big mac, clothes and drugs (which is from now taken for the global growth)

It's going to be a lot easier for us to control things when europeans aren't around. The real question should be, extinction or do we keep some of you in zoos?

>>10556703
I agree with you in general but even a pretty bad ass wall can break at some point, look at doomsday in france, it took some time and was quite nasty but it broke.

In your scenario and the current african birthrates a war will come that will be a mixture from worldwar z + and planet of the apes.

I prefer to not only have a strong border but also build a few factorys and schools on their continent and have china style birthcontrol to release some foodsupply/migration pressure.

>>10556755
what do you think is the next goal (food/wealth wise) once europe became africa 2.0?

Bingo, Burgerland! what are you going to do against it? Nuke it? Fine, you could do that right now and save some billion lives kek.

>>10557026
>In your scenario and the current african birthrates a war will come that will be a mixture from worldwar z + and planet of the apes.
so we fight them
its not even a contest man, these nigs drop like flies against any organized force

>I prefer to not only have a strong border but also build a few factorys and schools on their continent
yeah thats what the whole "foreign aid" shit has ben talking about for half a century now.
guess what? it doesnt fucking work. nigs are incapable to make proper use of any of it.

>and have china style birthcontrol to release some foodsupply/migration pressure.
for shit like that to be enforced you would have to not only construct a totalitarian government in africa, but also extend its dominion across the entire continent.
massive waste of resources and effort desu, might as well just wall off the continent and let them kill each other forever

>>10557158

>so we fight them
that can be pretty exhausting and costy if you keep fighting against unlimited rescources enemy.(exponential grows) you would need to kill more per day as new people born, that is a massive job.

>construct a totalitarian government in africa
>massive waste of resources and effort
could be way cheaper then defending the wall with the nightwatch and shit 24/7 on the long run -remeber the doomsday point.

>"foreign aid"
no, the totalitarian government we install anyways because of the birthcontrol, no free money for war lords but taking control of what happens with the money by ourself.

>>10552266
strong advice tripledubs

>>10557331
my man you are massively overestimating the situation. niggers do not cross the fucking sahara desert just to suicide themselves into machine gun fire at a fortified border. people just do not do things like that, even niggers.

realistically, africas growth will simply result in increased ethnic strife and warfare. combined with limited food supply their growth will be counterbalanced and their population level will reach an equilibrium.

The refugees will also act as soldiers in a land war to conquer Russia.

>>10550634
Please kill yourself faggot. Worst tripfaggit in the history of 4chan. Kys

>>10557439
>that niggers wont come just to suicide themselves into machine gun fire at a fortified border.
I bet some germans thought that back in the days in the normandy. kek.

>population level will reach an equilibrium.
I hope you are right but even present day numbers of "ready to go - refugees" are XX millions, think some years in the future and make it XXX millions, when they will get leadership and organization it will get problematic imho.

we will see, for now having some border controls would be nice, after that we still can decide to build the nightwatch wall and make africa pay dor it, go full totalitarian or simply nuke everybody, kek.

>>10557683
yeah, our discussions here are ultimately pointless because none of it will ever happen with the current political class in charge

at this point, fixing this government would take a massive stalin style purge of all public institutions. shit has gotten really fucking bad.

>>10557777
>our discussions here are ultimately pointless
nah, its fun and you got nice quads!

Population growth leads to economic growth pretty invariably. Of course, it's also likely to decrease the average person's living standards and wages, but it's all about making investments profitable today.

>>10551640
LA BONDIDA PONTANDRRRRRRRROOOOOOOO
PACORRRRRRRRRRRIIIITOOOOOO

>>10550634
Why are you so stupid and ugly, mentally and physically damaged both here and in reality? I have literally never seen you post anything remotely intelligent, original or funny here. All you do is shit up the place with you 8 syllable sentences and let everyone know it was indeed you who dropped that turd of a "thought" on this board.
Thanks to you I have started to advocate for euthanasia to be accessible without any specific reason to everyone, so you could freely end your existence on this planet, because you will NEVER EVER find happiness nor wealth with your cruel handicaps.
Kill yourself.

>>10550690
(((They))) bring in the migrants who consume goods and services. That outweighs the cost of paying for them to live here

The true meaning of refugees is that most people are cattle. Accepting millions into your country, having them rape and molest and literally spit on your daughters in the streets, and still only complaining online (instead of hanging those responsible), simply means you deserve everything you get.

>>10560418
>your daughters
it's 'your', because none of you have their own. Have fucking childen shitstains.

>>10550547
>How do refugees promote economic growth when many of them don't work?
Refugees don't. They're not supposed to. They're only there because they were going to die in their old country so are just looking for shelter and water for a few days.

The refugee crisis of Europe is elitists forcing a bunch of niggers in Europe so the populations can make kids and make them into citizens.
It's shitty now, but it's supposed to start pushing into gear in a decade or so. Enough time for Europe to avoid dying out and under-performing.
Boy you don't want anything to crash now...

>>10550547
Its all going to collapse soon. Refugees will sink the ship thats already floundering from mass immigration. Multiculturalism never works...anywhere. The ethnic groups set up neighbourhoods where they tolerate each other, the immigrants displace the local populous creating social tension. The cultures are like oil and water usually. Indians trying to live in the UK for example. The whole of western society will collapse soon under the globalist marxism thats gripping the world since WW2 ended. Violence will break out in Europe and the US when James O'Kelly has Pajeet lecturing him on Irish heritage and culture.

>>10560443
>It's shitty now, but it's supposed to start pushing into gear in a decade or so.
It's shitty now, and it's going to get a lot shittier later.
Who the fuck wants to live among a bunch of niggers

this is a babby. have one yourself

>>10560645
No thanks. I'd rather not create another slave who will be paying for some shitskin's welfare.

>>10560654
How about creating a fighter who will smash his and (((their))) heads?

>>10560664
I'd make 10 if that was even remotely realistic.

>>10560654
>can contribute to the removal of the root cause of migration
>continues to do nothing and bitches like a woman
'men' of today, I swear...

>>10552147
It's because Europeans make for poor slaves compared to these invaders who are being zerg rushed in the West EU. At least Poland and Hungary are on a good approach to the problem

>>10550547

every society needs a bottom rung. whether beggars or slaves, they have always existed. except the jews are obsessed with having this become a massive mulatto support to their fiat ponzi scheme.

>>10552623
Yes obviously

But you have had the benefit of information sources without any kind of opinion censoring so you have obviously come to the conclusion that these countries are shit for a reason

They either think everyone is exactly the same across the world, or they don't care and just want the economy to grow (more likely)

>>10552147
>implying refugees aren'y reproducing like roaches

>>10550547
Migrants consume a lot of good and services, you have to feed them, give them clothes, give them a roof, give them entertainment, trasnport, etc... which stimulates production (never mind that his production is generated by taxing and putting in debt the natives).

Also there is this delusion that at one point they will magically become net productive members of society and pay for pensions but we all know it's a pipe dream, literally never happened anywhere with non-white or non east-asian immigrants.

You guys have to understand that the current system we live in is a gigantic intergenerational Ponzi, the real question is to know who will be more fucked between white boomers and white millenials when it pops.

Don't mind me, I'm just a white babby.

/pol/out/ here

Just buy a property in the middle of nowhere and fortify it, get a setup as self-sufficient as possible and just invest your current capital in stuff or get a job you can do from home. Once the gibs are over the niggers will be hungry and the cities will become a giant chimpout in which no whitey will be spared. You need a place to stay safe until they all starve (and they will, they can't manage a simple farm in africa). Once the savages are starved we can look forward to retake the cities and prevent this from happening ever again.

>m-muh runnin away!
You have to think ahead. A roman noble, just before rome fell, got his personal guard and moved to his countryside house and created the first feud ever, he was the pioneer of the middle ages. You won't survive a chimpout in a city so quit the rambo delusions and make a fucking fortress and reproduce as much as possible.

they use welfare to consume and spend money, increasing the countries GDP, so basically they promote (((economic growth)))

>>10561660
This is my plan too, my country is so densely populated though, I might move to a nearby lower populated one

>>10561676
deep suburbs?

>>10561676
Watch Varg's tips on it, he did it and moved to rural france which according to him is pretty white. Property taxes are low as fuck there and you can even get gibs. Reminder that you should drain and milk the state the most you are able to.

Play the arab game, have many white children and collect welfare.

>>10561706
Yeh I was either going to pick France, or some Eastern Euro country like Romania or Russia. I think they'd accept me more in France though since I'm more similar to them genetically and culturally. Even though they're 20%+ arab and african I don't think they're anywhere near as cucked as most western euro countries.

>>10561746
>I'm more similar to them genetically and culturally.
Where are you from?
>20%
Well I don't know about that, cities are basically 90% black these days (alright maybe I'm exagerating, but you get the point).
>I don't think they're anywhere near as cucked as most western euro countries.
They are cucked, very cucked, but that's not the point, what you must keep in mind when choosing your country is
>is homeschooling legal?
>gibs policies and if you could apply for them
>taxation, how much and for what things
Don't sweat how many dindus it has, thing's pretty much fucked everywhere except in eastern europe. I'm in Spain and homeschooling is illegal, taxes are all over the roof to pay for dindus and moslems, there are literally no jobs because all unskilled labor got taken by dindigrants, and college degree tier jobs are also unavailable because the boomer meme made everyone and his mother get a degree, so the market is absolutely saturated. And there are basically no gibs for white people, nothing that nears immigrant paychecks anyway.

>>10551995

blacks get gibs to encourage them to stay in their ghettos and not attack working citizens

>>10552180

meme

>>10552216

your argument makes no sense. boomers overwhelming voted FOR brexit. they are the last generation to see what a white society was actually like

There are three main reasons.

1. More people = lower wages. They don’t all need to work, just some

2. There’s this idea that demand fuels economic growth, even some people ITT believe. This is prove false (ie the congo has a lot of demand but where are they), but it’s intuitively falsifiable too: every population, no matter how small has an infinifite, demand, we always want more shit.

The truth it’s growth is fueled by entrepreneurial freedom combined with a culture with a strong work ethic (which can be generated through incentives).

3. Because western economics (and all modern economics really) it’s based on fractional reserve and Keynesian ideas, and that demand drives growth, that’s justified issuing a fuck load of debt. Problem is people, especially governments, naturally get greedy and never pay back debts, so the only way to pay of debt is with new debt (yes, this is a massive pyramid scheme). Since the West ain’t having kids there’s no one to issue new debt to. Enter migrant and his 8 kids who can all get credit cards and student loans and mortgages to pick up the debt. Our societies are in complete service to prop up this pyramids scheme, even if it means destroy cultures and replacing people “fuck whitey if he won’t have kids to take on more debt”

TL;DR because we let the rich and jews introduce usury and got rid of the gold standard.

>>10552330

on the bright side the death of the welfare state will occur in our lifetimes

>>10552427

if only you knew how bad things really are

>>10550547
>How do refugees promote economic growth when many of them don't work?
Torpedos.

>>10554205

>pre-merkel data

>>10552330
It’s fascinating because back in the 1910s and 1920s in america the left were strong supporters of unions fighting for wages, and would actively attack and refuse to serve those who would work and undermine workers fighting for better wages.

But now because the left is made up of people who have never fucking worked or left academia, or are on welfare, they don’t understand basic economics (even the just the basic understand you get from being in the workforce) so deride anyone who doesn’t want to work a shit job for even shitter pay.

>>10552330
>First of all, that is such incredible bullshit.
know this firsthand that it is not bullshit. People don't want to slave away to other's that they feel an inch of affiliation with. Migrants don't have that so they are happy to be treated as trash for ungodly (for them) amounts of money.

>>10561800
England
>what you must keep in mind when choosing your country is
yeah I agree with those except taxation, I think when dindus and muslims get to over 50% they're going to try and take everything. France seems really solid though cause I think they're going to end up chimping out really bad and getting btfo by the natives.

>>10552343
>all problems you can pretty much trace back to religious people, and their disdain for intelligence.
Problems with the papacy started when italians started to abuse the institution while pretending to be religious. Irreligious people are the problem.

>>10561913
France is the wild card as it could go either way and the nation that I think will decide the fate of Europe (as has always been the case really) where ever France goes, the west will follow, mark my words

>>10550547
They literally are not allowed to work if they have to wait multiple years for their citizenship to be approved. In the meanwhile, it is illegal to apply for a job and they're forced to remain into this "limbo welfare" mode.

Fight against government regulations, not individual liberties.

>>10560443
>forcing
They aren’t being forced, they are being advertised to against the will of the people and counter to actually immigration laws... and they aren’t refugees. Refugee crisis is a euphemism for migrant crisis, which is just a euphemism itself for invasion or government fuck up, depend on how you look at it.

>>10561913
I think they are going to pay it smart and wait until they are about 80% of the total population. I don't know if ragheads can be retarded enough to attempt takeover at 50%, but hey, who knows.
>getting btfo by the natives.
I'm blackpilled in this, I don't think the average soidrinking effeminate beta scared-of-guns white male stands even a chance or will even fight against the shitskin hordes.

Isn't countryside ireland and scotland supposed to be sparsely populated and white? You could just move there.
>>10561961
>the nation that I think will decide the fate of Europe (as has always been the case really) where ever France goes, the west will follow
I think you have some sort of idealized version of pre colonial france or something in mind, I have bad news for you, see above. And france as of now has no leverage on anything. If anything, if they did wreck the chimps and nothing happened to them other nations could justify doing it because "france did it". But this can be said of every other western european nation.

>>10550547
Artificially inflating job market, creating pressure for the already existing workers to work for cheaper as their positions become more easily replaceable.

So basically, fast food and cleaning services leadership are rubbing their hands together hard enough to cause a forest fire.

>>10562044
>I think you have some sort of idealized version of pre colonial france or something in mind
No I’m going off there historical, cultural, political and geographical relevance going back Gaul. Because of this they have always been a major trend setter for Europe (often not necessarily conciously).

My point isn’t that I think france will save the West or anything, I don’t know how things will turn out. What I’m saying is whatever happens to France will be the fate of Europe, for better or worse.

This is in contrast to say, Britain, which could easily go down the toilet but it won’t take the rest of Europe with it.

>>10550547
Because the welfare state is a ponzi scheme and ponzi schemes need new people or they will blow out.

>>10554174
>>10554205
>>10554463
>>10554532
>>10554366
Those are LEGAL immigrants you fucktards. Ofcourse those immigrants who come here LEGALLY are going to work twice as hard and contribute to the economy.

Thats not the problem ofcourse. The problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION of refugees. Something which you lefanatics cannot seem to distinguish between

>>10552693
>>10552709
This anon is right. Banks hate savers cause they don't depend on banks.

Banks used to love savers back when fractional reserve was considered a scam.

>>10552300
ur retarded. Muslims don't want to assimilate, even after generations. There is a reason the Bataclan terror attacks were carried out by 2nd generation Belgians. 2nd fucking generation.

Could you imagine a 2nd generation American not feeling American? I can't even imagine that in L.A or Miami. But in Europe, with Muslims, they don't want to assimilate.

>>10552709
>>10562160
Dumb, also wrong. You are giving the bank an interest-free loan to deposit your money there. Money they are free to turn around and generate profit from. That's what a bank's business model is.

The only consumer debt that matters are real estate mortgages. Next best are car loans. Otherwise consumer debt is just a low-margin side hustle. Banks make money lending to other businesses, not by lending you money to buy a cheeseburger or whatever. They love consumer saving money, because it's leverage they can use to turn a profit. If everyone spent every penny they had, banks would have nothing.

Worst thing you can do against The Man is take all your savings and send it overseas as remittances or squander it on private party sales. Start a used car collection over in Bangladesh or some shit. That'll show 'em all.

>>10562244
cringe and bluepilled
banks don't operate with real money anymore, they lend money that doesn't even exist, it isn't the 15th century anymore gramps.

>>10551341
You are thinking too wide, just try jews
boom
snap
I don't even want this one

My question is why do all the fucking immigrants have to be men?

>>10562900
Because those fucker keep the beautiful queen for them. We need to go in africa and colonize those wombs

>>10550547
>How do refugees promote economic growth when many of them don't work?
It makes the jew's peepee grow when they think about how the goyim will all be their slaves after they have been browned into an 80IQ mass of 56%ers.

>>10554174
>correlation equals causation

And that's why no one in the real sciences take the soft sciences seriously.

>>10563218
feel free to provide data that counters the theory your citing.

>>10562900
how to marry her

What are third world people best at?
What is the job nature gave them and they always succeed in against all odds?

HAVING LOTS AND LOTS OF OFFSPRING.

The immigration flood to Europe is pushed artificially to make new debt slaves. It's as simple as that. The bonus is you weaken society as a whole and make people fight each other instead of the establishment.

Win.win.

>>10563382
I once set my Tinder to some African capitals. Got fucking flooded with matches and it's not like I do anywhere near that well in Europe. They will marry you for citizenship and money.

>>10564143
>stooping so low you import a literal female monkey and she cucks you once they have citizenship

That's several orders of magnitude worse than being an incel or mgtow.

>>10555511
>it’s inhumane to send them back
>we’ll kill them ourselves

Wtf lol...

>>10550547
The elite have been using nigs to drive down property value for a long time so they can buy land they don't have to live near cheap.

>>10564302
I'm not recommending it, asshole. I'm answering anon's question.

once you understand how the illuminati functions and what they value you understand that (((they))) are simply erasing our bloodlines

>>10564387
It's easy, non-cuck nations realize that cultural marxist humanitarianism is the weak spot for cuck nations, so the moment "killing" is mentioned, Yurop opens its anus wide.