/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>10371090
>Worst mistake
This means it was good?

>>10371110

>>10371090
Shoulda just mined it.

this is the biggest piece of shit.. wallet sucks dick i been holding thus shit for a year, takes weeks to sync chain now i cant even send it just keeps timing out. i literally cant even dump

>>10371207
Brainlets can't into Monero's wallet or Monero's future. The difficulty is a good filter.

I recommend using the CLI and a remote node or your own node on an SSD. Pic related is you right now though.

>>10371090
What happened to Monero?

I haven't look at any market prices for any coin since March 2018 because I got too depressed about the bear market.

>>10371425
Same as everything else, it's gone down a bit. Not a big deal really. Holding literally forever.

>>10371207
what are you doing, syncing it on a hard disk not ssd? I sync to an external ssd and the first sync might take a while but it can easily keep up. takes about 10 min to catch up a few thousand blocks

>>10371207
Then use a remote node if you have a pajeet level computer

daily reminder XMR is the best cryptobrainlet filter out there

>>10371910
>Someone took the time to do an infographic to fud Monero.

>>10372002
Is it fud?

As cryptocurrency becomes more mature and starts integrating into real world business applications, Monero is going to be left behind. The Monero team is not a professional team. They don't care about the end user experience. They don't actively seek business integrations. Monero will not survive the next generation of adopters. I suggest Dash and ZenCash if you are looking for a professional team that understands how business actually works.

>>10372128
At least the intent was.

>>10372197
shut the fuck up you fucking moron theres more criminals using monero than people using tether no one gives a shit about your exchange trading or cmc values
>>10372223
its not fud

>>10372235
Oh wait, just read the whole thing now.

>>10371910
>it's not a bug it's a feature guys
You know it's fucking doomed when the shilling is so half hearted it reads like FUD

>>10372197
That's where you're wrong kiddo. Monero has built a real foundation. Now that the real decentralised, open source building blocks are in place Monero can have many consumer facing applications built with all sorts of different VC money, not just some ponzi tokens funding.

>>10372330

>>10371910

Prices exactly a year ago and 1-year returns

> Bitcoin 2763 = 171%
> Eth 226 = 106%
> xrp .20 = 125%
> LTC 45 = 84%
> Dash 192 = 31%
> Zcash 218 = -10%
> XMR 43 = 202%

>>10372197

Saying utter garbage like ZenCash which has rewards that go to the foundation, a founders reward, has had a 51% attack and has only minted 4 million out of the 21 million supply thus has a future of massive inflation is better investment than Monero is fucking retarded.

>>10372197
Or was this the sort of thing you were taking about?

>>10372197
Dash cuts it's security in half to fund this. While Monero has full PoW security and has actual investors spending money prudently for long term payoffs.

>>10372458
is there a site that keeps track this? did u compare this to ATH returns?

>>10371090
>Buying Monero was the worst mistake of my life.
Monero FUDders need to be purged from this world.

>>10372543
Dash funds a massive amount of projects.
https://dashvotetracker.com/

Monero doesn't fund shit. They have an absolute shit business model, that's why their wallet is fucking unusable and you have to link to a remote node which ruins the whole fucking point of privacy. You guys are living in a fucking fantasy.

You don't cut security in half you idiot. Dash wouldn't be valued where its at if they didn't have the many feature you dumbass

>>10372861
>all these dash projects

>>10372861
Dash isn't even private. CoinJoin is garbage 2012-tier technology. As for Monero, absolute privacy comes at a price. Please fuck off, kindly.

>>10372543

Monero has no business model. The next stage of adopters (real business) are going to fucking ignore it. Monero will be a speculative trade at most.

>>10372861
Besides funding all the development and real blockchain research, the Monero community is also funding an open source i2p router that can be used for many different things unrelated to Monero. All of this funding comes from donations, not by stealing half the block reward and compromising the security of the chain.

Rule 1 of Monero: Don't buy Monero.
get rekt newfag

>>10373015
That's cool that Monero has fancy tech.

I will be buying the coin that copies monero tech and applies it to a real business model.

>>10373008
What is that some conference that you paid to have a logo at?

While here are some logos that are putting money into the Monero ecosystem.
>>10372420

>>10373051
There are a shit ton of companies that have put money into Ethereum also. But even Ethereum is 99% speculative trading with no real world use.

If any crypto is going to succeed it will succeed because it can work its way into the existing business framework. You guys are all fucking delusional.

>>10373008
>Monero has no business model.
That's like saying "cash doesn't have a business model." Think about how backwards your way of thinking is, that the cryptocurrency you support needs to have some kind of corporation or foundation backing it for it to make headway into the business world.

>>10373048
>I will be buying the coin that copies monero tech
So that won't be Dash then because Dash has ancient "privacy" tech that shouldn't even be allowed to be called private.

Tfw bought 40~ monero at .030.

Been kicking myself for months after it started to dip the next day. Still, it's the best alt- hold out there, and I have iron hands. Didn't sell a cent of my btc during the bear market.

>>10373113
>real world use
Use Monero to facilitate trade. Buying and selling. Like money.

>>10373114
That's your guys fantasy world. This stuff isn't going to replace cash any time soon. Successful cryptos will be useful payment platforms with real world business integrations.

>>10373168

Cool monero is the coin for illegal use, its only good use case.

Its also known for hacking websites and mining on innocent users computers. Thats why big money will never touch this thing.

>>10373178
So why would you hold dash if it won't be used as money? It isn't stock in the dash-visa corporation.

>>10373213
>implying illegal things aren't big money

>>10373213
I don't think you realise how useful Monero is. Monero makes what was only available to the rich possible for everybody. Truly a force for good.

>>10372458
lol, non-monero owners BTFO

>>10371910
cute fud graphic. cli wallet doesn't look that bad (nice ps?) and we already have a gui wallet and mobile wallets
>pic related, your coin of choice will never do this

>>10373213
>Cool, USD is the coin for illegal use. all major criminal organisations deal with fiat currency.
>that's why big money will never touch this thing.
lol, this is what you sound like retard. GOOD MONEY attracts criminals, criminals don't create good money.
christ, when does school start up again these days?

>>10373137
Good choice with the Monero buy. Can't always time it.

>didn't sell during bear market
Hate to break it to you but the bear market isn't over. Just trying to help your expectations. Keep holding I know you can do it. Seriously these dips will mean nothing in ten years.

>>10371090
I unironically sold my XMR a while ago for Masari. I see way more upside potential as it's damn early and their developer Thaer is a god tier XMR dev as well. His scaling solutions seem really ambitious.

>>10371090
this is why XMR will be worth 10k by 2022:
>tail emission greatly reducing emission (or creation) rate
>The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime's World Drug Report 2005 estimates the size of the global illicit drug market at US$321.6 billion in 2003 alone. With a world GDP of US$36 trillion in the same year, the illegal drug trade may be estimated as nearly 1% of total global trade. (if monero captures even 0.01% of this, we're 5-figures, period)
>10% of the worlds' GDP is hidden offshore. source: forbes, https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/09/15/tax-haven-cash-rising-now-equal-to-at-least-10-of-world-gdp/
and now all of this is accessible to you and I.
screencap this, honest to god, this is the safest 10-20x in existence.

>>10373178
>This stuff isn't going to replace cash any time soon.
It's value has quadrupled over the past year against USD even with more XMR being mined every day. Making any other claim about it replacing cash altogether is purely speculation but we can look at the chart and draw conclusions about how Monero is being valued versus the dollar.


>>10373178
>Successful cryptos will be useful payment platforms with real world business integrations.
Most blocks are empty across all major cryptocurrencies right now. Nobody is using this shit as a "payment platform" anytime soon. The real world value in cryptocurrency was driven by Bitcoin's pseudonymity, which as it turns out isn't private enough to be reliable digital cash. Enter Monero.

>>10373426
Anything revolutionary Masari does will just get absorbed upstream by Monero. If you're looking to make a good swing then go for it, just don't wait for it to actually topple XMR, because it won't.

>>10373426
Here's masaris github:

latest commit by thaerkh "Up point version and checkpoints." -- aka a non-commit -- 17 days ago. might be too ambitious, anon.... $0.45 is overvalued right now but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't invest at $0.15-0.25.
meanwhile, monero's latest commit was 3 days ago and it was an actual merge request: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/4088
non-software fags stay poor

>>10373426
I could see this becoming more than XMR's testnet too. But it's only on shit exchanges so far.

>>10373444
>Anything revolutionary Masari does will just get absorbed upstream by Monero.
nice trips, and this is facts. it's already happened. masari's biggest selling-point, "we're the only monero fork to contribute something that gets picked up by the xmr core team!", is actually its biggest weakness, kek.
it's a neat sandbox for testing cryptonote protocol improvements that cannot be funded by the xmr funding platform.

>>10373506
You buy it before it gets on bigger exchanges desu

>>10373488
>>10373426
For a similar price and for a similar reason I have a little bit of aeon. Smooth is my favourite dev. His logic has never been wrong and he has btfo'd anyone who's ever disagreed with him.

>>10373426
Delet this

>>10373488
To be very honest I'd say we're still very undervalued. But not looking for it to flip XMR.

If a commit does happen it's of actual importance. Just a month ago or something it forked to improve the mining network conditions.

>>10373522
STOP

>>10373114
>Monero has no business model.
>That's like saying "cash doesn't have a business model."
Nah
That's like saying USD has no business model
You see the effort, they put into partnerships and promoting democracy so USD is accepted throughout the world.

I like Monero. it is unrivaled techwise. But Dash is not being wrong there >>10372543

>>10373706
If that was an actual fighter jet with modern combat capabilities and Dash could afford enough of them to force the world to use their currency then you would have a point.

But that's not their "business model". Apparently their business model is paying to be in the same room as AmericanExpress as if that's how you become a payment processor, much less an actual currency. >>10373008

>>10373706
If you're saying that Monero needs to go out and advertise itself like Dash does to find success then I disagree. Tari may end up doing just that, but whoever does it should definitely be a separate entity from Monero itself so there are no conflicts of interest.

I'm pretty computer savvy and the xmr world has def not been the easiest thing to get familiar with, but god damn is it worth it. If you want the power if true anonymity, dont be surprised when it takes a few mistakes here and there to get confident. Yes the wallet can be slow, yes it is picky with weird little ui things. Just take the time to learn it if you care.. there is a reason this coin is going nowhere

>bitgrail
>ripple
>not selling in ATH

>>10373825
Lol it is definitely hard enough that normies are going to have a bad time and grandma's will find it literally impossible but it's still a lot easier than opening your own bank or moving money into an offshore scheme or smuggling cash across the border. And that's the point. As it grows there will be ways to use Monero that are suitable for everyone. For now anyone with low computer skills who still sees what Monero is can use MyMonero to invest without fucking around with their computer for days.

>>10373607
Underrated. Hashrate really picked up.

>>10371090
You certainly are like those guys who bought BTC at $1000 in 2013 and sold for $200 after MtGox. Just relax, OP, this will reach $1000 (or more) for sure in some years. XMR is far the hardest coin to FUD, because it's one of the best and most legit ones.

>>10372197
You're right. We all know how faster and better projects easily overpassed Bitcoin in usage and market cap.

>>10372330
>>10372420
DELETE THESE IMAGES!

>>10372861
>>10373008
Monero isn't a investing fund, neither a business. It's a private cryptocurrency. And there's the fancy GUI wallet for brainlets and lazy pajeets.

>>10373426
>>10373607
Masari will be the Litecoin of Monero. Far the most legit fork of it, and they intend to research and implement some interesting things.

>>10374880
Any important differences between that and Aeon? On the very top surface level they seem to have similar goals

>>10375622
Masari intends to implement uncle mining soon, and research a method to implement sharding by blocktree, which will require the draft of a new whitepaper for it.

>>10375622
Important difference is only aeon has Smooth. It had also been long established as the litecoin of Monero. Only newfags that don't know about aeon think masari can fill that role. It does seem that masari is more likely to get hyped though.

>>10374880
>>10375817
Part of why Masari has huge upside potential even compared to monero. Also good ol trageogre telling normies to btfo so we get it early n cheap.

inb4darkwebmarkets

>>10375907


>>10375907
Chain Link has more potential

>>10375907
LEROY STFU