/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>10188213
Open the fucking border and let them all in!!!

>>10188213
Fuck work, video games and internet coins.

>>10188213
Where the fuck are all these so-called jobs at? I need to wageslave for a few years until the golden bull run.

>>10188250
But the golden bull is now

>>10188213
Usually companies raise wages in this scenario. But somehow that became a bad thing thanks to the fed and muh inflation. Call a spade a spade. This is not normal to keep wages stagnant in these conditions.
Also
>internet money

>>10188213
thats gonna be a no from me

>>10188213

>How do we get young males back in the work force?

Pay them a proper fucking salary. Done.

>>10188265
Wrong.

>>10188291

That's a good point. Why aren't wages going up? According to supply and demand theory if supply goes down, and demand stays constant increases, shouldn't price increase?

Economic "science"

Shut down 4chan.

Universal Basic Income will arrive but man is it going to be some wild years before it finally happens. 80% unemployment before 2050 because of robots and AI.

i'd rather be able to wake up whenever i want than to make 2x as much money by going to work.

if they cut hours and brought in chefs to make us a tasty lunch, I'd consider it. but until then I'm going to shitpost in bed with my coffee while i watch my stocks make me money

>>10188543
>i'd rather be able to wake up whenever i want than to make 2x as much money by going to work.

Pretty much this. I value my time a hell of a lot more than money

>>10188213
There is no labor shortage, the wages are simply to low (have stagnated for 30 - 40 years) so of course people are not interested. So they say there is a "shortage" of cheap laborers is what the are actually saying, time to import more immigrants!! Basic supply and demand lmao

>>10188415
a full on communist revolt will happen long before that. actually it's already underway now. when this thing finaly implodes trump and the repubs are gonna be left holding the bag and this time the conservatives wont be able to point the finger at the left. gonna be hard to convince the proles communism is the fault of the collapse when the president is a billionaire realestate investor.

>>10188213
>oh no Mr Goldstein the labor pool is declining, we'll need to increase wages !
>open the borders

>>10188213
This labor shortage is a good thing. Employers will have to compete for employees, which produces a far healthier economy and raises wages.

>>10188971
>Employers will have to compete for employees

Kinda sucks ass if you work in the health field though and there aren't enough people to properly cover shifts

>>10188981
The wages of nurses and other health professions will increase and the incentive to do these jobs will increase to, this is basic economics

>>10188229
They can open borders, but this still will not have the employees with the skills required and they know that.

>>10188213
> stop having impossibly high standards
> stop weeding me out automatically using your algorithms
> stop posting jobs to the public when you already know you will only hire internally
> stop saying you cant find qualified candidates to import more h1b visa pajeets
> stop using the terms “entry level” but post senior level requirements on the job description
I could go on.

>>10188374
>wagey still thinks capitalism's greatest accomplishment isn't fucking over him and his fellow wagecucks at every turn.

Stop buying into boomer propaganda.

>>10189002
>and the incentive to do these jobs will increase to

Yeah now I just have to wait for kids to start going back to school to actually fill those now better paying positions, which leaves me in a shittier situation for years

>>10188872
Cool fanfic where's the subscribe button?

>>10189018
>> stop posting jobs to the public when you already know you will only hire internally

Pretty sure they legally have to do this

>>10188213
Good job supply is low and demand is rising. Workers now have bargaining power again. DON'T FUCK THIS UP.

Good jobs are still hard to find.

94% of jobs created since 2008 have been contract, temp for hire, zero-hour.

Young men are not incentivized to work anymore. Before you could find a nice girl and start a family with a job, now women think you're scum if you don't have a billion dollars, so what's the point of working, if not for anything other than survival reasons? FUCK this world, let it crash and burn, specially all these dirty corporations, who are behind all societal decline, anyways.

>>10188213
There is always a labor shortage, I'll believe it when wages rise.

>>10189199
If you live in the west wages are not going to go any higher. Sorry buddy.

>>10188268
This. Inflation still hasn't risen significantly because wages still haven't risen significantly. The panic about a (((labor shortage))) is just business interests and possibly naive central bank economists trying to lobby for the market to become flush with labor again so they don't have to worry about even thinking about raising wages. Don't believe them, there isn't any reason to do anything until we actually have higher observed inflation. Right now it's all just fear mongering.

>>10188213
you give them a nice, big, juicy incentive to get in. in other words, you cut the fuck out of government regulation and taxes, and finally let people do the work that they wanna do and make the things that they wanna make.

destroy their video games

>>10188213
Pay them a living wage. This means you , Michael Dell.

>>10189159
I get the bitterness - I do with women.

But I've had *some* good luck ... usually do without. But I've seriously had a mindshift the last six months.

Is there literally ANYTHING you could be doing to make it better? Working out? Socializing more? Reading books? Getting certified in something?

And if there is - tell your ego he doesn't have an excuse and get back to work.

Also - FWIW I live in a heavy dick to vag ratio small town in one of the 3 highest single mom ratios of the US. And one of the highest obesity rates. I can tell you for a fact to go overseas.

I dated a bombshell cheerleader type @ 24 that I stumbled into in my town. A turkish girl in a bigger city 100 miles away. And then a Russian I met in Russia + some Europeans.

Overseas is much, much better. It's not like these women are landing chads - they are going for long stints of singleness waiting for the next one. Then they are thinking they'll get married in their 30s after having man after man walk away (I'm one of them now).

If you improve yourself enough - you'll find yourself on the winning side of the equation.

Is this whole topic real or just a meme? Every single job application I see has hundreds of applicants...

>how do we get men to work more
Fix women, most men plugged away working their way up the corporate ladder to provide for their families. Not worth putting in all that effort for the modern woman.

>>10188213
I'm about to quit my job

>>10189236
>man up, blah blah
>I usually do without
>I've dated some hot sluts though
Really not making your case.

>>10188872
Ahahahahahaha

>>10188213
What!?

I look for jobs often and a bunch seem to want lots of experience in the job theu are hiring for. Now how am I supposed to get that experience. If I already had that job why would I jump to another company when a bunch seem to try to lowball?

t. Mid 20s guy with a bachelors with a job that pays a little over minimum wage.

t. Mid 20s guy who is likely secretely rejected from jobs because girls seem to have an easier time getting hired even when they have less experience

>>10188374
wages aren't going up primarily because inflation is ongoing and taxes are growing in weight and number
the tax exempt rich that are all pushing for more socialism have people by their fucking balls, brainwashing them to make them think that free market capitalism led them to being in a nation where it's increasingly hard to start up and run a business (which would create competition for the mega corporations, which are run by the tax exempt rich who are all pushing for more socialism)
if you want the economy to work perfectly, you end all taxation, end inflation, secure the shit out of your borders (making it difficult for people to get in, but not out), and remove the minimum wage

>>10189061
you are so fucking retarded that it makes me hurt

>>10188213
pffft HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LABOR SHORTAGE

lmao

how did i lose out on those stem jobs to pajeet?

>>10188213
let us play video games and shitpost for ~8 hours a day at 45 bucks an hour if we're able to actually beat the game, 25 if we just putz around grabbing minor achieves.

>>10189437
pajeet take less pay

>>10189443
i was always told salary is negotiable, wouldn't they make me an offer even if my desired salary was too high

>>10189454
you're clearly too much of an autist to fit in with the new face of STEM

>>10189004
Borders are open because the free peasants are MUCH cheaper than birthing new white people and spending to mature them before tricking them out as a security.

Bring over a mestizo and you have a new credit subject you did not have before. Giving the mestizo credit in his own country does not enrich the BAR, of which all Dems are members... Esquire being a title of foriegn nobility.

>>10189410

link?

>>10189638
http://graphics.wsj.com/what-percent/

>>10189353
Women are fired clay pots at 13, when their forebrain neurosenesces.

You cannot reeducate them, just as men must not suffer them as 'teachers'.

/biz/ has been telling me all this years that my salary was poorfag tier

im so confused

>>10189688
BIZ has devastatingly high standards.

$305,553 to break into the 1%

>>10188374
Companies are waiting for the magic automation bullet to save them. Note how they got a giant tax break and used it to buy their own stock back.

Hell, the trucking industry has hit a major bottleneck while offering $70,000 starting salaries. They don't want to hire ex cons or fresh high school graduates, and the industry is too regulated for illegal immigrants. Driverless trucks are something they crave.

>>10189018
Have internal training programs instead of relying entirely on schools and prior experience.

>>10189159
Nah, man. The bar has been set so low by two generations of cowardly men that just having a job and not being a manchild who expects the woman to do everything is a huge plus.

>>10189809
Gotta check off the millenial thing below it, halfs the requirement

>>10189788

People just don't really understand what average means. It's really weird.

>>10188213

Stop paying minorities to sit around all day

>>10188291
Nah, it's easier just to get more Indians and Mexicans

>>10189809
No, that's for 2%, 1% is more like half a mil

>>10189004
There are loads of Indians with 5 years experience programming stuff that came out last year. Americans just don't have the skills.

GIBS DEM MO MONIES YAYAYA

AI is right around the corner to help fill those vacancies

>>10188302
Guy who can't get a job in a great economy has an opinion

>>10190018
Pajeets produce shit tier code and then you're left cleaning up their mess while still being paid the same amount as them. I'm so fucking glad that I made it with crypto so that I could quit my fucking job.

>>10188213
>"labor shortage"
>wages still not increasing significantly

Yeah, this is not a labor shortage, this is a return to normal, or what normal should be, which is some amount of upward pressure on wages beyond inflation.

>>10188213
i am a young male with tradesmen skills.

No one wants to hire. Not me, not anyone.

It's the employers fault.

>>10189410
>percentiles are backwards to cater to libshit retards
nice

>>10189305
It's probably in a few different industries like construction or IT but things like hairstylist or video editor probably isn't as needed.

>>10189410
fuck that's sad.

>>10189688
>http://graphics.wsj.com/what-percent/
>>10189809
>>10189410

$45,000 is the average for a college graduate millenial. What is that? $2500 a month? That's just sad.

>>10190382
Because they don't want skilled tradesman. They want temp workers to come do first year apprentice work.

>>10190665
my dad literally made that much as a fresh grad in 86

>>10189372
Keep doing it your way & wind up necking yourself then.

I'm happy listening for solutions. Mostly done with the bitching. Our forefathers didn't fight wooly mammoths & have a life expectancy of 30 so we could bitch about not being able to get a $30 hr wagecucking factory job & bitch about thots on memeboards.

>>10188213
>make it as difficult as possible for evil white males to get a job
>surprised no one wants to work

let me correct that for you they want skilled tradesman to do work for apprentice pay.

>>10190756
Why would I neck myself? Instead I'll just embrace hedonism, my point is that you act like just changing your mentality will change reality while your environment remains constant and you so far have been utterly unable to attain that which you say you can just by mentality. Fucking random sluts does not count because that's easy to do.

>>10188213
Let women work. Thought that's what they wanted in the 60's.

>>10191111
> is there anything I could do better that would improve my world

That's called action dumbass.

You can change your environment and go to another country.

Often your unhappiness is due to not putting in the effort you know you could. And finding social issues to bitch about.

Most of you bitching about the 60s wouldn't know what to do with a good wife & kids.

So yea a mindshift that changes actions, then changes you, then changes your environment does make a difference.

how about rising the wages above 3 dollars

>>10188213

there is no shortage dumbass, nobody wants to work for peanuts

>>10189407
why would you have to remove the minimum wage if you think wages would rise and everyone would be richer in your system? fucking lmao

>>10188291
We also have the"need experience to get experience" conundrum and a lack of incentives to hire/promote from within. It's a real hell hole. Infinite wants from employers, finite number of people and finite amounts of marginal productivity

I suspect this is fluff. I was forced to respond to a census request for my business like 2 weeks ago. I assume this is the orange monkeys attempt at generating statistics to support his campaign to make sure you die from lack of healthcare.

>>10191256

read the article, dumbass

>>10191235
>blah blah blah
>it makes a difference I swear
>still can't find a good woman and just insists there's some magical difference even though there isn't
How's that denial working for you faggot?

>>10188213
Oh no! Boomers will actually have to pay a decent salary to other americans instead of employing a caste of semi-slaves from beanerland!

>>10191313

FUCK OFF MORON

>>10190428
This. That's not how percentiles work what a shitty site.

>>10191382
Well, better than you apparently

>>10191459

No you fuck off, you entitled fuckhead

>>10189353
I've seen arguments like this a lot and always sorta brushed them off but as time goes on and especially the way you worded it, I actually think there's more than just something to this idea

>shortages are anything but a temporary retreat from the market equilibrium
Its jews not wanting to raise wages or train employees

you have to go back

Porky would rather DIE than raise wages.
Supply and demand should dictate prices, except for when it comes to labor because that's the one thing (((They))) can't directly profit off of.

>>10188213
whats not stated here is that many of these jobs are low-skilled, entry-level service positions that a monkey could do. try again.

not politically adjusted data

>>10188213

Is there a more obvious form of kikery than this? The saddest thing is normies lap this retarded shit up. More shitskins in the country will totally help you get a high paying job goyim.

>>10189061
capitalism is great. Its the best system we have compared to others. Why don't you make a snarky comment that actually has a valid point instead of trying to troll

>>10193626
Entry level jobs for entry level workers, what's the problem?

>>10193814
you know whats funny? i thought this jew shit was a cop out until i read the protocol of the learned elders of zion. I want to pretend to be a jew just to see what happens

>>10193857
>Capitalism is great. Its the best system we have compared to others.
I always imagine a serf using this logic on the other serfs in the 1200s
>"So what if the baron literally owns us and the land we work, it's the best system we have!"
Just because it's the best system we've figured out SO FAR does not mean it's the best possible or that we should blindly buy into it without working to improve it and restrain it's excesses.

>>10193932
nigger. What other system gives regular people a chance to move up the economic ladder with hard work?

>>10188250
Litterally fastfood. Read the last bls report. All of drumpys job growth has been in service sector. We are so fucked.

>>10188229
God, they might actually have to raise the wage or lower their standards to accept someone with less than 20 years experience for an entry level! The horror!
>>10188268
I get paid total fucking shit. I should be getting 50k for this role and I'm at 40k. And they wonder why employees look to fuck the company over whenever possible, or jump ship as soon as they get a dollar payraise somewhere else.
>>10189146
temp for hire is such a scam. I got hired on under the impression the temp period would be 2 weeks. It was 3 months, and they didn't tell me until a month and a half in when I was up their ass about it. No benefits, no time off, no security, jack shit. It should be fucking illegal to do this. They fuck you this way: 3 month temp period, no benefits, fire you after 3 months and hire the next stump, wash and repeat. So the companies never pay any bennies. It's almost as bad as the "unpaid internship" slave scam. I'd like to spit on these shitstains.

>>10193951
Nigger I don't fucking know, none that I know about.
I'm not that smart, I'm not gonna be the one to figure out the next societal paradigm.
But I am smart enough to know that "It works, so why change it" is cuck logic for cucks that would have left us as stone age tribes living in yurts become "That's the best system we had"

>>10193986
You just described Africa.

>>10193986
i agree that there could be a better system out there. So far though capitalism that has not been jewed has worked out the best. Maybe one day we will have computers run everything. Who knows.

>>10188213
Pay them a living wage
Wow what a conundrum

Nigger you said robots were going to do this shit

>>10189159

This, pretty much. I can see why young men are checking out of society

>>10190305
>guy who nerds out on the crypto market all day, every day while I'm wagecucking has an opinion
ftfy

>>10190665
This is what public school teachers make in states that are on the lower end of the pay scale and those cunts still want more.

>>10193982
dunno man i started with a crap wage no degree see, i knew coding but i never made it through uni. my wage is now 5 times what it used to be when i started. over 7 years 500% increase. if i jumped around for a bit of raise every year i doubt i would have made 300%.

you get the crap wage until you prove yourself.

>>10189362
You've made it?

>>10190319
>Pajeets produce shit tier code and then you're left cleaning up their mess while still being paid the same amount as them
that's true it's never product quality they can be used for rapid development of demos but that's it.

>>10188268
nu-science says monetary rewards (ie higher wages) do not encourage workers to be more productive. What encourages them to be more productive is their own desire to work for the sake of working. Because wikipedia.
https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation

>>10194638
Nigger in 7 years I can make six figures, that's not the problem. The problem is right now my wage is shitty. I don't want to lick boots for years just to be paid a decent salary. Fuck I don't even want to work fulltime for that long.