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>>57567658
>>57567713
Im going to YOLO con MSTR, CLSK and MARA for a leveraged play on BTC. This guy >>57567658 I don't know wtf he is on about. Just look at the charts.

Of courses big risk involved, many moving parts on a miner.

Why would anyone want to hold miners when the halving will cut their cashflow in half? The ROI on the miners last year made everyone rich already.

>>57402627
>Just stick to HODL or BITX or whatever other levered inverse plays show up in the next few weeks.
I don't have these things in EU, I can buy MSTR and I trust Saylor more than these noobs anyway

>This is because they are fundamentally money losers (miners)
yeah except when they make you fucking rich. The problem is this happened last year, so now it will exagerate to the downside.

Everyone got rich already from the ETF being frontrun from months, now they are dumping on you.

>>57375861
Everyone already got rich last year and you got frontrunned and dumped on by Fink.

Miners and shareholders got incredibly rich on the last real bullrun of last year. Now you have tons of rich players dumping on you for months.

>>57375580
No, they will unironically delist many ETFs, not all, but many, and that will make it even more bearish.

Everyone got ridiculously rich last year. Who the fuck expected this thing to continue? look at the ROIs. fucking common sense. Now you have rich people dumping on you on these ROIs. Grayscale is dumping 500k BTC. Saylor is dumping. MTGox coins are dumping. People with insider info on ETF that bought OTC for months are dumping. Hooly fuck who seriously thought ETF was the START of the bull run? Jesus.

>>57374722
Oh Johnny, you are one year late.

What happened is the hype for the ETF got frontrunned FOR MONTHS. Miners got rich, shareholders got rich, Saylor got rich, ETF applicants got rich (bought OTC in individual accounts) and now they are dumping on retail, so they can buy cheap for the next bullrun which has been delayed for a good 1+ year.

>bull run
already happened

>>57367931
But you dont realize that you are imagining in your head dumping at the right moment? what if before you hit 3x, it starts going down, you think oh well, just a correction, then keeps going lower and lower etc.

This is why I was considering MSTR or even miners to get a leveraged speed on BTC price so I don't need to time the top to get a 3x which is what I need too retire if I YOLO. THe question is, what if you are holding the wrong one? halving is brutal for miners.

And no, nobody is YOLOing on shitcoins. Banks block big transactions. I cannot send 500k to some shitcoin exchanger to buy some dumb token.

>>57359595
I dont trade with options because I want to hold something, if im on the wrong side of the trade I can bagholding something of value, not some smoke and mirror contract thing, I dont evne know how they work. If BTC takes 5 fucking years to 3x its over. The thing with DCA is, you can fuck it up, statistically going all in has worked better at least sp500. So here im waiting for like a cool crash to 30k, I would go all in.

I have no BTC ETF here anyway. MSTR I can buy on my bank. The premium is cool. Saylor knows what he is doing, he holds a massive stack himself. ETF boomers don't know anything. I also like Saylor's use of debt, he has a fuckton of debt at very low interest that he can use to buy more. He has frontrunned everyone. If the rest want to hold more BTC they will just pump his bags. He is also working to be the biggest lightning network liquidity provider. He has a deal with microsoft. I think this can be a good play to get more performance than pure BTC. But man those miners were on a tear the past few months. Question is, will they go up on a halving? the halving cuts their cashflow in half... it will be brutal for some, but i assume, those that survive will pump.

Your STOXX one has 0 growth, it's flat. I want some growth over the years.

>>57355637
What do you hold? getting rich from BTC isnt possible anymore and alts are retarded. Anyone here holds MSTR or miners? Is a 5x on MARA realistic? Problem is, ETFags frontrunned everything, its all so pumped and this correction doesn't feel complete yet.

I personally feel a 4x (I need to leave 50k in cash because I have no income, and I will be investing 350k)

>>57358739
>t, baggie that thinks he will get rich from 5 figures

>>57358955
>miner stocks are already overinflated you already missed the move
how new are you
>just buy sub 50m mcap alts, its not that hard
just gamble on shitcoins bro

>>57346242
Bitcoin is too pumped to get rich from it. Thoughts on MSTR and Miners? Im considering going 250k MSTR and 100k on MARA. If that isn't a million at some point during the bull run so I can retire I will blow my brains off with a double barrel shotgun.

Problem is, the fucking ETF frontrun noobs overbought this shit so much that this may have to capitulate lower before any real bullrun begins. The moment you YOLO in is so fucking crucial. The people that get real rich are 100% cash and get on a good entry, not DCAing all the way down into the bottom. You need balls and you need luck, simple concept.

>>57346067
What if BTC goes 30k? grayscale has to dump a ton of BTC and there is not enough demand

I need a 3x to retire and I was thinking about MSTR because I see miners as too risky. Too many moving parts. Mara may be top dog now, but what if they shit the bed. Halving can wreak miner businesses. Shit was insane las year. Prices still too high. And yeah sub $10 I may take the chance.

As far as MSTR what are some good entires.

>>57259952
and leveraged plays like ETF and miners
I meant to say like MSTR

Look at the roi on these things. Anybody that didn't see that wasn't sustainable is retarded. Easiest short you've ever seen. Now the question is, where the fuck is bottom for these things.

>>57253228
What are you smoking?
I have 400k€ im from spain, and I no income as well.

There is nothing that can give you that yield for no risk. Im making like 0.31% a month at current €STR rate from monetary funds, thats as close as no risk you can get. Im not getting rich from that shit.

Im considering going all in on MSTR as a leveraged play on BTC and hope hype can at least 2x, ideally 3x, THEN im fucking retirying on divvie paying ETF. Until then, I Need that 2x to 3x. And no, wagging is not an option cucklordo.
>HOW DID YOU GET THAT MONEY LARPIEEE

I lucked out and made money online, now im early 30's and have no fucking income. Fuck off now let's roll, where's the decent 2x at? And im not fucking buying Shitcoins. Banks block transactions, let alone that big. So I need Bitcoin proxies. Miner stocks are too fucking volatile. Options are retarded gambling. I don't see any way out form 6 figure planet hell than get into Saylor's ship and ride into the 3x sunset. Can MSTR hit 1200? What if the FED is lying again as 100% of times about a soft landing and we crash and im all in on the stock ? FUCKING hell. Not knowing the future is a certified scam. But I have to take risks. Im a few clicks away from making it. The recent streak of bad luck has to be reverted. I YOLO and make it, I can feel it. I have to do it. Mind over matter. Let's fucking roll.

I dont give a shit about ETF because BTC is too pumped to get rich, I need 2x leverage.

Miner stocks are too risky, so im thinking MSTR.

Will this dump due premium too high now and then pump? The BTC pump itself is being rather pathetic.

I dont give a shit about ETF because BTC is too pumped to get rich, I need 2x leverage.

Miner stocks are too risky, so im thinking MSTR.

Will this dump due premium too high now and then pump?

Im looking to buy 500k worth of MSTR shares. Is this going to crash on ETF approval? IMO past year premiums on Bitcoin proxies are retarded and need to calm down. I still want a leveraged play on BTC, but I dont want options or miners, so MSTR seems like a safer take on leverage. According to Adam Back Saylor is doing a good job with the debt so I trust this in principle. Question is, where is the bottom for Saylor's ship?

Im thinking about a YOLO position on MSTR, no options, holding stocks, of 1 million $, hope to 2x this and retire. Thoughts? The premium is still too high and ETF news will dump it wether approved or not?

I find miners too risky, let alone options, so MSTR is it. Question is, where is the bottom before the premium gets adjusted to reality and then it can start going up in a healthy rate?

This just confirms this is a sell the new events. There's no real demand beyond the pump and dump and it has been frontrunned for months. Real money has already been made.

>>57238283
>blackrock will pump my overbought bags
oh johnnyboy